May 30, 2013, 9:55 pm
Last edit by: jerryhung
New List of Mini-RTW 2.0 version after Oct 29th, 2014 "enhancement" (i.e. less MPM)
FAQ: List of valid and booked mini-RTW itineraries version 2.0 (post-"enhancement"
INTRO
This wiki is taken from the excellent overview in the first post of this thread by FrequentFlyer9000 and is meant as a guide to the Aeroplan "Mini-RTW" for the uninformed newbie flyer. This is a no judgment zone and newbies are welcome. In this thread, the usage of scary acronyms and complicated FlyerTalk insider-speak will be minimized.
Also, this wiki is a work in progress so please provide feedback or make wiki edits if you think something warrants it.
INFO & COMMON QUESTIONS
What is the "Mini-RTW"?
The Mini-RTW is a name given to a type of reward booking using Air Canada's Aeroplan miles. It is actually not a "round-the-world" ticket at all - it is a regular award redemption. Just as you would use 75K frequent flyer miles to go to Japan on another airline, you can use 75K to do so using Aeroplan miles. The difference is that Aeroplan allows you to "stopover" in multiple cities at no extra mileage cost, making it very attractive compared to other reward travel. It should be noted that this isn't really that much better than some other airlines. For example, Delta offers one stopover + open jaw, which is only one stopover worse than Aeroplan's deal. But many of the airlines only offer one stopover and no open jaw. So there is definitely value here.
In addition to your final destination (in which you can stay for days/weeks/months), you are allowed:
•Two stopovers in other cities (stay for days/weeks/months). You are allowed to trade one of these stopovers for an open jaw (where you land in one city, but take the next flight out of another city)
•10 segments (layovers during which you spend less than 24 hours in a given city) <-- this limit may be gone as of 2014/2015
So, disregarding the additional 10 segments, an award trip for Japan could actually look like this:
NYC > Tokyo (destination - one week) > Paris (stopover - one week) > London (stopover - one week) > NYC
You basically get three times the world exploration for the price of one. If you add on the extra layovers allowed, you can turn it into:
NYC > Los Angeles (one day) > Hawaii (one day) > Tokyo (one week) > Seoul (one day) > Hong Kong (one day) > Paris (one week) > Munich (one day) > London (one week) > Washington DC (one day) > NYC
Of course, you don't have to do the above. Spending so much time in airports can be exhausting. But the option is there for you if you want it.
How many miles is this going to cost me?
See the Award Travel chart here.
From North America to "Asia 1" countries: (effective Jan 1, 2014)
•75K in Economy
•150K in Business
•210K in First
From North America to "Europe 1" countries:
•60K in Economy
•90K in Business
•125K in First
...and so on. Check the link for other combinations. Assuming you are stopping in three cities, the city in the most "expensive" redemption zone is the zone you will have to pay for. So if you are visiting two Asia1 zone cities and one Middle East city, you will pay 80K miles rather than 75K miles since that is what the Middle East trip costs (numbers assume Economy class travel).
Which miles do I need to use? Can I use miles from other Star Alliance airlines?
You need to use Aeroplan miles. You cannot use miles from other Star Alliance members, such as United, to book this mini-RTW. However, you can book flights for the mini-RTW on any airline that is in the alliance and has the desired award seating available. You technically do not have to fly any segments on Air Canada at all.
So, what's the catch? What are the restrictions?
There is no catch. However, there are some restrictions on your itinerary. This is where things get a bit more complicated.
Want to find the new MPM after 10/29/2014?
Aeroplan City Pair mileage (new pseudo-MPM) - FlyerTalk Forums
This is no longer valid after 10/29/2014
2) If you do elect to use an open jaw instead of one of your stopovers, you must schedule the open jaw so that it is in the same "IATA zone" as either the origin or the destination city. So if you are going from NY to Japan to Europe and back to NY, the open jaw cannot be scheduled in Europe, since it is neither the origin zone or the destination zone. The open jaw also cannot be a larger distance than any two legs you are actually flying. In case you are wondering, IATA zones are as follows:
IATA 1 - The Americas (incl. Caribbean, Hawaii)
IATA 2 - Europe as far as the Ural Mountain range, Middle East & Africa
IATA 3 - Oceania, SE Asia, Far East, Sub-Continent.
Remember that if you use your open jaw at the turnaround/destination point, you will only have one stopover to use left. So you would be able to do NYC > Singapore (destination, open jaw) // Tokyo (stop) > NYC. This has one destination, one open jaw (at turnaround point), and one stopover. However, you would not be able to do this: NYC > Madrid (stop) > Singapore (destination, open jaw) // Tokyo (stop) > NYC. Because your 2 stops + 1 open jaw would be more than the two allowed.
3) You cannot land in the same city twice in any one direction. This means that on my way from NY to, let's say, Cairo, I cannot do New York > London > Paris > London > Cairo on the way there, since I would be stopping in London twice in one direction. However, I can stop in London on the way to Cairo and then again on the way back from Cairo.
4) The actual trip needs to be "bookable". It needs to follow certain rules. I won't get into too many details, but anything completely nonsensical in terms of routing is generally not going to fly. But most routes will not fall into this category. Just something to keep in mind.
Do I have to go in the same direction for every leg of the flight?
No. As an example, you can cross the Atlantic twice or cross both the Atlantic and the Pacific once (more like a real RTW trip).
How do I book this?
Assuming you have already planned out your entire itinerary to the dot and have made sure your trip is in accordance with the above restrictions, call Aeroplan and speak with a representative. Alternatively, you can try to book online for free. However, this is not always possible with more complicated routings.
What will this cost me in real cash? How can I minimize fees?
It depends on the region you travel to and which airline you fly on. In general, the more Air Canada segments you fly the more fees/taxes you will pay. Aeroplan does not collect surcharges on non-Air Canada-operated flights. So flying Air Canada internationally will cost you extra. If you use a lot of Air Canada flights in your mini-RTW, your fees could be anywhere from $150 to $400, even sometimes creeping up above $600. Lesson is to avoid AC "metal" (airplanes) if possible.
Every trip will have a $30 cost per person for booking on the phone, regardless of the itinerary.
What are the change fees if I want to change a leg or multiple legs of the trip later?
$90 for changes after original booking. If there is an involuntary change because of flight schedules changing, there is no fee charged. Note that when you make a change, the taxes/fees associated with fuel, etc. may change. They may decrease or increase depending on the previous flight and the new flight. This is independent of the $90 rebooking fee. The $90 is flat regardless of how many of the segments you change. It is not $90 per changed segment.
How do I plan this trip out? Even finding a simple award ticket can be difficult online, let alone one with 10 segments!
Good question. It is recommended that you use either the All-Nippon Airways (ANA) website (guide on how here), the KVS tool (costs money) or ExpertFlyer (costs money), or http://FliSea.com. I personally like to use KVS, but it is not newbie-friendly. It is $20 for 2 months for the "diamond" level service, and $75 for a year. Small price to pay for saving a lot of time, if you can handle the learning curve. ANA is a good free method of finding segments and many people have had plenty of success with it; FliSea is a metasearch tool that uses all of the sites above.
The trick is to do this one segment at a time. So first find NYC > LONDON for the date you want and make sure that the award class you are looking for is available (e.g. Economy low fare). Then do the next leg: LONDON > ROME. Repeat for every segment. Write down the details of each flight, calculate the mileage using the www.gcmap.com resource, and call up Aeroplan to book.
One of our Flyertalk members has built a database with all the Mini-RTW routes that have been flown in the various threads in one simple place: http://www.turnleftat.com/mini-rtw-list/
FAQ: List of valid and booked mini-RTW itineraries version 2.0 (post-"enhancement"
INTRO
This wiki is taken from the excellent overview in the first post of this thread by FrequentFlyer9000 and is meant as a guide to the Aeroplan "Mini-RTW" for the uninformed newbie flyer. This is a no judgment zone and newbies are welcome. In this thread, the usage of scary acronyms and complicated FlyerTalk insider-speak will be minimized.
Also, this wiki is a work in progress so please provide feedback or make wiki edits if you think something warrants it.
INFO & COMMON QUESTIONS
What is the "Mini-RTW"?
The Mini-RTW is a name given to a type of reward booking using Air Canada's Aeroplan miles. It is actually not a "round-the-world" ticket at all - it is a regular award redemption. Just as you would use 75K frequent flyer miles to go to Japan on another airline, you can use 75K to do so using Aeroplan miles. The difference is that Aeroplan allows you to "stopover" in multiple cities at no extra mileage cost, making it very attractive compared to other reward travel. It should be noted that this isn't really that much better than some other airlines. For example, Delta offers one stopover + open jaw, which is only one stopover worse than Aeroplan's deal. But many of the airlines only offer one stopover and no open jaw. So there is definitely value here.
In addition to your final destination (in which you can stay for days/weeks/months), you are allowed:
•Two stopovers in other cities (stay for days/weeks/months). You are allowed to trade one of these stopovers for an open jaw (where you land in one city, but take the next flight out of another city)
•10 segments (layovers during which you spend less than 24 hours in a given city) <-- this limit may be gone as of 2014/2015
So, disregarding the additional 10 segments, an award trip for Japan could actually look like this:
NYC > Tokyo (destination - one week) > Paris (stopover - one week) > London (stopover - one week) > NYC
You basically get three times the world exploration for the price of one. If you add on the extra layovers allowed, you can turn it into:
NYC > Los Angeles (one day) > Hawaii (one day) > Tokyo (one week) > Seoul (one day) > Hong Kong (one day) > Paris (one week) > Munich (one day) > London (one week) > Washington DC (one day) > NYC
Of course, you don't have to do the above. Spending so much time in airports can be exhausting. But the option is there for you if you want it.
How many miles is this going to cost me?
See the Award Travel chart here.
From North America to "Asia 1" countries: (effective Jan 1, 2014)
•75K in Economy
•150K in Business
•210K in First
From North America to "Europe 1" countries:
•60K in Economy
•90K in Business
•125K in First
...and so on. Check the link for other combinations. Assuming you are stopping in three cities, the city in the most "expensive" redemption zone is the zone you will have to pay for. So if you are visiting two Asia1 zone cities and one Middle East city, you will pay 80K miles rather than 75K miles since that is what the Middle East trip costs (numbers assume Economy class travel).
Which miles do I need to use? Can I use miles from other Star Alliance airlines?
You need to use Aeroplan miles. You cannot use miles from other Star Alliance members, such as United, to book this mini-RTW. However, you can book flights for the mini-RTW on any airline that is in the alliance and has the desired award seating available. You technically do not have to fly any segments on Air Canada at all.
So, what's the catch? What are the restrictions?
There is no catch. However, there are some restrictions on your itinerary. This is where things get a bit more complicated.
Want to find the new MPM after 10/29/2014?
Aeroplan City Pair mileage (new pseudo-MPM) - FlyerTalk Forums
This is no longer valid after 10/29/2014
1) Your itinerary must be within 5% of the total "Maximum Permitted Mileage" (MPM) for the route from the origin to the destination. Even though you are stopping in three cities by using your two stopovers and a final destination, you can define the destination as the stop city furthest away from the origin. Although certain flyers have gotten away with telling an inattentive phone rep that their final destination / "turnaround city" is one of their layover cities to increase their MPM, this does not always work. Sticking with one of your three stop cities is a safe bet.
MPM exist so that you cannot repeatedly fly around the world 10 times on your 10 segments. There is a limit to how many miles you can fly on the reward ticket. MPM guidelines can be found by using the KVS tool or by using Expert Flyer. MPM is calculated between your origin and your destination, one-way. The trips to and from your destination are calculated separately. You are allowed to overshoot this number by 5% ("MPM5"). If you can find a bookable itinerary online that has a mileage longer than the published MPM, this is a "published routing" and can be used even if it exceeds the MPM5. In KVS, navigate to the "Reference" tab, select "MPM" from the dropdown menu, and enter your city pair. MPM information is available under the Travel Information section of ExpertFlyer. It is available to all subscribers, Basic or Premium, and there is a 5-day free trial to ExpertFlyer.com that can be used.
To see if your itinerary fits your MPM limit, you can use the site here to see your total miles traveled: www.gcmap.com. Enter your airport codes separated by dashes to see the itinerary and get the total mileage (e.g. NYC - LHR - NYC). Example here.
TO READ MORE ABOUT MPM: Read this (short) document
MPM exist so that you cannot repeatedly fly around the world 10 times on your 10 segments. There is a limit to how many miles you can fly on the reward ticket. MPM guidelines can be found by using the KVS tool or by using Expert Flyer. MPM is calculated between your origin and your destination, one-way. The trips to and from your destination are calculated separately. You are allowed to overshoot this number by 5% ("MPM5"). If you can find a bookable itinerary online that has a mileage longer than the published MPM, this is a "published routing" and can be used even if it exceeds the MPM5. In KVS, navigate to the "Reference" tab, select "MPM" from the dropdown menu, and enter your city pair. MPM information is available under the Travel Information section of ExpertFlyer. It is available to all subscribers, Basic or Premium, and there is a 5-day free trial to ExpertFlyer.com that can be used.
To see if your itinerary fits your MPM limit, you can use the site here to see your total miles traveled: www.gcmap.com. Enter your airport codes separated by dashes to see the itinerary and get the total mileage (e.g. NYC - LHR - NYC). Example here.
TO READ MORE ABOUT MPM: Read this (short) document
IATA 1 - The Americas (incl. Caribbean, Hawaii)
IATA 2 - Europe as far as the Ural Mountain range, Middle East & Africa
IATA 3 - Oceania, SE Asia, Far East, Sub-Continent.
Remember that if you use your open jaw at the turnaround/destination point, you will only have one stopover to use left. So you would be able to do NYC > Singapore (destination, open jaw) // Tokyo (stop) > NYC. This has one destination, one open jaw (at turnaround point), and one stopover. However, you would not be able to do this: NYC > Madrid (stop) > Singapore (destination, open jaw) // Tokyo (stop) > NYC. Because your 2 stops + 1 open jaw would be more than the two allowed.
3) You cannot land in the same city twice in any one direction. This means that on my way from NY to, let's say, Cairo, I cannot do New York > London > Paris > London > Cairo on the way there, since I would be stopping in London twice in one direction. However, I can stop in London on the way to Cairo and then again on the way back from Cairo.
4) The actual trip needs to be "bookable". It needs to follow certain rules. I won't get into too many details, but anything completely nonsensical in terms of routing is generally not going to fly. But most routes will not fall into this category. Just something to keep in mind.
Do I have to go in the same direction for every leg of the flight?
No. As an example, you can cross the Atlantic twice or cross both the Atlantic and the Pacific once (more like a real RTW trip).
How do I book this?
Assuming you have already planned out your entire itinerary to the dot and have made sure your trip is in accordance with the above restrictions, call Aeroplan and speak with a representative. Alternatively, you can try to book online for free. However, this is not always possible with more complicated routings.
What will this cost me in real cash? How can I minimize fees?
It depends on the region you travel to and which airline you fly on. In general, the more Air Canada segments you fly the more fees/taxes you will pay. Aeroplan does not collect surcharges on non-Air Canada-operated flights. So flying Air Canada internationally will cost you extra. If you use a lot of Air Canada flights in your mini-RTW, your fees could be anywhere from $150 to $400, even sometimes creeping up above $600. Lesson is to avoid AC "metal" (airplanes) if possible.
Every trip will have a $30 cost per person for booking on the phone, regardless of the itinerary.
What are the change fees if I want to change a leg or multiple legs of the trip later?
$90 for changes after original booking. If there is an involuntary change because of flight schedules changing, there is no fee charged. Note that when you make a change, the taxes/fees associated with fuel, etc. may change. They may decrease or increase depending on the previous flight and the new flight. This is independent of the $90 rebooking fee. The $90 is flat regardless of how many of the segments you change. It is not $90 per changed segment.
How do I plan this trip out? Even finding a simple award ticket can be difficult online, let alone one with 10 segments!
Good question. It is recommended that you use either the All-Nippon Airways (ANA) website (guide on how here), the KVS tool (costs money) or ExpertFlyer (costs money), or http://FliSea.com. I personally like to use KVS, but it is not newbie-friendly. It is $20 for 2 months for the "diamond" level service, and $75 for a year. Small price to pay for saving a lot of time, if you can handle the learning curve. ANA is a good free method of finding segments and many people have had plenty of success with it; FliSea is a metasearch tool that uses all of the sites above.
The trick is to do this one segment at a time. So first find NYC > LONDON for the date you want and make sure that the award class you are looking for is available (e.g. Economy low fare). Then do the next leg: LONDON > ROME. Repeat for every segment. Write down the details of each flight, calculate the mileage using the www.gcmap.com resource, and call up Aeroplan to book.
One of our Flyertalk members has built a database with all the Mini-RTW routes that have been flown in the various threads in one simple place: http://www.turnleftat.com/mini-rtw-list/
FAQ: The Complete Newbie Guide/FAQ to the Air Canada Aeroplan Mini-RTW
Sep 1, 2017, 8:30 pm
#1591
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 4,784
Sep 3, 2017, 10:27 am
#1592
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 5
Hello everyone, long time flyer talk lurker and now first time poster. I was super elite for years but have not reached any noteworthy status for a while now (hit 35k a few years back with an unusually heavy business travel year). I am however looking at planning a family vacation in late Dec 2018/Jan 2019 using available miles (family of four). I have been reading the information here extensively and see that there is a lot to learn. Destination is Australia (popular dest I know) and we would like to do the mini RTW in J class. I have a few questions that I hope you could be so kind to share your expert perspectives on. Apologies if these have been covered before and I missed them.
1) As a non-status member without ability to book any available seat, how challenging is it to actually find available inventory? I see many different trip combinations listed here but as now an average Joe would I be able to find similar?
2) i noticed on another posting the timing for release of J inventory which seems different across the various SA carriers. What's the best strategy to start planning? Would it be to look for potential routes and then align to the timing of different carriers release schedules? I don't want to miss inventory if it gets snapped up as soon as it is made available.
3) Last question, has anyone started up a side business to provide some research and advice services for booking a mini RTW outside of calling AP? I'd be willing to pay for help and assistance as the complexity and time involved for a rookie is pretty daunting.
Thx!
1) As a non-status member without ability to book any available seat, how challenging is it to actually find available inventory? I see many different trip combinations listed here but as now an average Joe would I be able to find similar?
2) i noticed on another posting the timing for release of J inventory which seems different across the various SA carriers. What's the best strategy to start planning? Would it be to look for potential routes and then align to the timing of different carriers release schedules? I don't want to miss inventory if it gets snapped up as soon as it is made available.
3) Last question, has anyone started up a side business to provide some research and advice services for booking a mini RTW outside of calling AP? I'd be willing to pay for help and assistance as the complexity and time involved for a rookie is pretty daunting.
Thx!
Last edited by brew99; Sep 3, 2017 at 10:28 am Reason: missed some context
Sep 3, 2017, 11:06 am
#1593
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 2
hey all.. done some preliminary research on my RTW hoping to get some feedback on what i have so far.
YVR>HND ANA J -- Stop
HND>FUK ANA Y **
FUK>ICN OZ J **
ICN>IST TK J -- Layover
IST>MRU TK J -- Dest
I see flights for all of the above on AP's website. Trying to minimize YQ/get the best premium experience.
** I am trying to go direct from HND>ICN which I understand OZ operates a direct flight (based on the *A map), but I cannot find availability July 2018. Any advice on this one?
On the way back worst case scenario: Layover in CAI, stop in ZUR and head back to NA via LX J.
Best case scenario at T-14: Layover in CAI, LH F through FRA and access FCT
Any thoughts?
YVR>HND ANA J -- Stop
HND>FUK ANA Y **
FUK>ICN OZ J **
ICN>IST TK J -- Layover
IST>MRU TK J -- Dest
I see flights for all of the above on AP's website. Trying to minimize YQ/get the best premium experience.
** I am trying to go direct from HND>ICN which I understand OZ operates a direct flight (based on the *A map), but I cannot find availability July 2018. Any advice on this one?
On the way back worst case scenario: Layover in CAI, stop in ZUR and head back to NA via LX J.
Best case scenario at T-14: Layover in CAI, LH F through FRA and access FCT
Any thoughts?
Sep 12, 2017, 8:26 pm
#1594
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: PIT-SCE-AOO-PHL-NYC-WAS
Programs: free agent
Posts: 1,036
I spent last few days researching this topic since I am not too familiar with aeroplan. Want to see if it's valid since Tokyo will be my starting point, instead of somewhere in North America.
TYO-AKL (stopover?)
AKL-BKK or SIN (stopover)
BKK/SIN-NYC/WAS DC area airport (staying for few months - destination)
NYC-Tokyo (might try Shanghai for 24 hour if possible)
one question - for MPM purposes, i should determine Tokyo-NYC MPM since NYC is farthest point from Tokyo than other cities?
Thanks!
TYO-AKL (stopover?)
AKL-BKK or SIN (stopover)
BKK/SIN-NYC/WAS DC area airport (staying for few months - destination)
NYC-Tokyo (might try Shanghai for 24 hour if possible)
one question - for MPM purposes, i should determine Tokyo-NYC MPM since NYC is farthest point from Tokyo than other cities?
Thanks!
Sep 21, 2017, 10:15 pm
#1595
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: YVR
Posts: 1,082
Just an FYI for everyone, with regards to this point in the wiki:
"•10 segments (layovers during which you spend less than 24 hours in a given city) <-- this limit may be gone as of 2014/2015"
I was today quoted by 2 separate supervisors that the max segments allowed is 16 on a single booking.
"•10 segments (layovers during which you spend less than 24 hours in a given city) <-- this limit may be gone as of 2014/2015"
I was today quoted by 2 separate supervisors that the max segments allowed is 16 on a single booking.
Sep 21, 2017, 11:54 pm
#1597
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: YVR
Posts: 1,082
That is indeed what they made it sound like. At least it's good to know Aeroplan aren't arbitrarily limiting segments (unlike some other programs).
Just thought I'd share this info. Not sure how many of us ever worry about this though.
Just thought I'd share this info. Not sure how many of us ever worry about this though.
Oct 23, 2017, 11:14 am
#1598
Join Date: Sep 2016
Programs: Air Canada - Aeroplan Black, AC - E50K, NEXUS/GE
Posts: 225
So I have a great mini-RTW essentially completely planned out. Great mix of airlines and classes (OZ F, TG F, NH F, BR J, SQ J). The only issue I'm having is that my first set of flights I want to do is JFK-HND-KIX with a 9 day stop in KIX for a conference.
JFK-HND is available on Aeroplan in F, HND-KIX is not available as a single segment in any class, but JFK-HND-KIX is available as a married segment only with HND-KIX in Y. If I call in to book segment by segment, are they able to allow the two married segments or will they run it through their system as each segment and they won't allow the HND-KIX flight?
JFK-HND is available on Aeroplan in F, HND-KIX is not available as a single segment in any class, but JFK-HND-KIX is available as a married segment only with HND-KIX in Y. If I call in to book segment by segment, are they able to allow the two married segments or will they run it through their system as each segment and they won't allow the HND-KIX flight?
Oct 23, 2017, 4:02 pm
#1599
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: YYZ
Programs: AC E75K *G
Posts: 62
So I have a great mini-RTW essentially completely planned out. Great mix of airlines and classes (OZ F, TG F, NH F, BR J, SQ J). The only issue I'm having is that my first set of flights I want to do is JFK-HND-KIX with a 9 day stop in KIX for a conference.
JFK-HND is available on Aeroplan in F, HND-KIX is not available as a single segment in any class, but JFK-HND-KIX is available as a married segment only with HND-KIX in Y. If I call in to book segment by segment, are they able to allow the two married segments or will they run it through their system as each segment and they won't allow the HND-KIX flight?
JFK-HND is available on Aeroplan in F, HND-KIX is not available as a single segment in any class, but JFK-HND-KIX is available as a married segment only with HND-KIX in Y. If I call in to book segment by segment, are they able to allow the two married segments or will they run it through their system as each segment and they won't allow the HND-KIX flight?
Oct 23, 2017, 7:19 pm
#1600
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: YVR
Posts: 1,082
So I have a great mini-RTW essentially completely planned out. Great mix of airlines and classes (OZ F, TG F, NH F, BR J, SQ J). The only issue I'm having is that my first set of flights I want to do is JFK-HND-KIX with a 9 day stop in KIX for a conference.
JFK-HND is available on Aeroplan in F, HND-KIX is not available as a single segment in any class, but JFK-HND-KIX is available as a married segment only with HND-KIX in Y. If I call in to book segment by segment, are they able to allow the two married segments or will they run it through their system as each segment and they won't allow the HND-KIX flight?
JFK-HND is available on Aeroplan in F, HND-KIX is not available as a single segment in any class, but JFK-HND-KIX is available as a married segment only with HND-KIX in Y. If I call in to book segment by segment, are they able to allow the two married segments or will they run it through their system as each segment and they won't allow the HND-KIX flight?
You can book domestic award flights if they are part of an international itinerary though at T-330.
From my experience, if you can somehow pull up the domestic flight you want (by doing a mock search which includes an international leg), the agent will be able to book it for you as part of your itinerary.
Oct 23, 2017, 8:22 pm
#1602
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: YYZ
Programs: AC E75K *G
Posts: 62
You're welcome! Sounds like a great trip. I'd be interested in knowing your itinerary, particularly how you're flying TATL leg on your listed airlines. FRA-JFK on SQ perhaps, but those SQ A380 J award seats are hard to come by on Aeroplan.
Oct 23, 2017, 11:27 pm
#1603
Join Date: Sep 2016
Programs: Air Canada - Aeroplan Black, AC - E50K, NEXUS/GE
Posts: 225
What I'm hoping for is the following:
YYZ-ORD - AC J E90
ORD-HND - NH F 777
HND-KIX - NH Y A321 Stop - 9 days
KIX-BKK - TG F A380
BKK-TPE - BR J 777
TPE-SIN - BR J 777
SIN-PER - SQ J A330 Turnaround - 3 days
PER-SIN - SQ J A330
SIN-BKK - SQ J A330
BKK-ICN - TG F 747
ICN-FRA - OZ F A380
FRA-BUD - LH J A320 Stop 3 days
BUD-IST - TK J 737
IST-ORD - TK J 777
ORD-YYZ - AC J E90
Was originally going from JFK but no way to get there from YHZ or YYZ on *A
MPM = 18060
First Half Mileage (YYZ-KIX-PER) =15548
Second Half Mileage (PER-BUD-YYZ) = 17967
Hopefully will book this week for travel next June/July
YYZ-ORD - AC J E90
ORD-HND - NH F 777
HND-KIX - NH Y A321 Stop - 9 days
KIX-BKK - TG F A380
BKK-TPE - BR J 777
TPE-SIN - BR J 777
SIN-PER - SQ J A330 Turnaround - 3 days
PER-SIN - SQ J A330
SIN-BKK - SQ J A330
BKK-ICN - TG F 747
ICN-FRA - OZ F A380
FRA-BUD - LH J A320 Stop 3 days
BUD-IST - TK J 737
IST-ORD - TK J 777
ORD-YYZ - AC J E90
Was originally going from JFK but no way to get there from YHZ or YYZ on *A
MPM = 18060
First Half Mileage (YYZ-KIX-PER) =15548
Second Half Mileage (PER-BUD-YYZ) = 17967
Hopefully will book this week for travel next June/July
Oct 24, 2017, 6:24 am
#1604
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: YYZ
Programs: AC E75K *G
Posts: 62
Nice. I assume you want to maximise your time in flight and try various products? Because there are more direct routes OSA-PER and PER-BUD as I'm sure you know.
Also, LGA and EWR are co-terminaled with JFK, so if you really want the JFK flight and don't mind cabbing/training between airports, flying into LGA/EWR could be an option. Just build in a long connection time (esp from EWR). Or, make it a ~24hr connection and enjoy a night in NYC.
Same applies KIX/ITM btw, in case that helps with your searches.
Anyway, if this is bookable even with the TPE legs, it looks to be a great trip.
Also, LGA and EWR are co-terminaled with JFK, so if you really want the JFK flight and don't mind cabbing/training between airports, flying into LGA/EWR could be an option. Just build in a long connection time (esp from EWR). Or, make it a ~24hr connection and enjoy a night in NYC.
Same applies KIX/ITM btw, in case that helps with your searches.
Anyway, if this is bookable even with the TPE legs, it looks to be a great trip.
What I'm hoping for is the following:
YYZ-ORD - AC J E90
ORD-HND - NH F 777
HND-KIX - NH Y A321 Stop - 9 days
KIX-BKK - TG F A380
BKK-TPE - BR J 777
TPE-SIN - BR J 777
SIN-PER - SQ J A330 Turnaround - 3 days
PER-SIN - SQ J A330
SIN-BKK - SQ J A330
BKK-ICN - TG F 747
ICN-FRA - OZ F A380
FRA-BUD - LH J A320 Stop 3 days
BUD-IST - TK J 737
IST-ORD - TK J 777
ORD-YYZ - AC J E90
Was originally going from JFK but no way to get there from YHZ or YYZ on *A
MPM = 18060
First Half Mileage (YYZ-KIX-PER) =15548
Second Half Mileage (PER-BUD-YYZ) = 17967
Hopefully will book this week for travel next June/July
YYZ-ORD - AC J E90
ORD-HND - NH F 777
HND-KIX - NH Y A321 Stop - 9 days
KIX-BKK - TG F A380
BKK-TPE - BR J 777
TPE-SIN - BR J 777
SIN-PER - SQ J A330 Turnaround - 3 days
PER-SIN - SQ J A330
SIN-BKK - SQ J A330
BKK-ICN - TG F 747
ICN-FRA - OZ F A380
FRA-BUD - LH J A320 Stop 3 days
BUD-IST - TK J 737
IST-ORD - TK J 777
ORD-YYZ - AC J E90
Was originally going from JFK but no way to get there from YHZ or YYZ on *A
MPM = 18060
First Half Mileage (YYZ-KIX-PER) =15548
Second Half Mileage (PER-BUD-YYZ) = 17967
Hopefully will book this week for travel next June/July
Oct 24, 2017, 9:06 am
#1605
Join Date: Jan 2013
Programs: Aeroplan, FlyingBlue
Posts: 289
What I'm hoping for is the following:
YYZ-ORD - AC J E90
ORD-HND - NH F 777
HND-KIX - NH Y A321 Stop - 9 days
KIX-BKK - TG F A380
BKK-TPE - BR J 777
TPE-SIN - BR J 777
SIN-PER - SQ J A330 Turnaround - 3 days
PER-SIN - SQ J A330
SIN-BKK - SQ J A330
BKK-ICN - TG F 747
ICN-FRA - OZ F A380
FRA-BUD - LH J A320 Stop 3 days
BUD-IST - TK J 737
IST-ORD - TK J 777
ORD-YYZ - AC J E90
Was originally going from JFK but no way to get there from YHZ or YYZ on *A
MPM = 18060
First Half Mileage (YYZ-KIX-PER) =15548
Second Half Mileage (PER-BUD-YYZ) = 17967
Hopefully will book this week for travel next June/July
YYZ-ORD - AC J E90
ORD-HND - NH F 777
HND-KIX - NH Y A321 Stop - 9 days
KIX-BKK - TG F A380
BKK-TPE - BR J 777
TPE-SIN - BR J 777
SIN-PER - SQ J A330 Turnaround - 3 days
PER-SIN - SQ J A330
SIN-BKK - SQ J A330
BKK-ICN - TG F 747
ICN-FRA - OZ F A380
FRA-BUD - LH J A320 Stop 3 days
BUD-IST - TK J 737
IST-ORD - TK J 777
ORD-YYZ - AC J E90
Was originally going from JFK but no way to get there from YHZ or YYZ on *A
MPM = 18060
First Half Mileage (YYZ-KIX-PER) =15548
Second Half Mileage (PER-BUD-YYZ) = 17967
Hopefully will book this week for travel next June/July