YYZ to Seoul: AC vs. Singapore--what do you think?
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YYZ to Seoul: AC vs. Singapore--what do you think?
Hey there,
I need to travel from YYZ to Seoul this autumn and am weighing my options inre: AC vs. Singapore Air. The AC flight is direct and costs ~$2K less than Singapore in biz class, but the Singapore itinerary involves, well, Singapore biz class and a stop in San Fran. (The YYZ to SFO portion is on AC metal.) I don't head to Asia on business much and, as such, have never hopped on a Singapore Air jet. Any thoughts on Singapore Air vs. AC to Asia, Seoul in particular? Is it worth the extra $2K, for starters?
Cheers,
PS
I need to travel from YYZ to Seoul this autumn and am weighing my options inre: AC vs. Singapore Air. The AC flight is direct and costs ~$2K less than Singapore in biz class, but the Singapore itinerary involves, well, Singapore biz class and a stop in San Fran. (The YYZ to SFO portion is on AC metal.) I don't head to Asia on business much and, as such, have never hopped on a Singapore Air jet. Any thoughts on Singapore Air vs. AC to Asia, Seoul in particular? Is it worth the extra $2K, for starters?
Cheers,
PS
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Hey there,
I need to travel from YYZ to Seoul this autumn and am weighing my options inre: AC vs. Singapore Air. The AC flight is direct and costs ~$2K less than Singapore in biz class, but the Singapore itinerary involves, well, Singapore biz class and a stop in San Fran. (The YYZ to SFO portion is on AC metal.) I don't head to Asia on business much and, as such, have never hopped on a Singapore Air jet. Any thoughts on Singapore Air vs. AC to Asia, Seoul in particular? Is it worth the extra $2K, for starters?
Cheers,
PS
I need to travel from YYZ to Seoul this autumn and am weighing my options inre: AC vs. Singapore Air. The AC flight is direct and costs ~$2K less than Singapore in biz class, but the Singapore itinerary involves, well, Singapore biz class and a stop in San Fran. (The YYZ to SFO portion is on AC metal.) I don't head to Asia on business much and, as such, have never hopped on a Singapore Air jet. Any thoughts on Singapore Air vs. AC to Asia, Seoul in particular? Is it worth the extra $2K, for starters?
Cheers,
PS
Personally I'd pick AC just because its a direct flight. I'd rather spend less time transiting etc. and more time with my family.
P.S: Consider yourself warned about SQ's Bangalore Call Center! Even simple requests/interactions could quickly lead to phone-rage when you communicate (or lack thereof) with their robots. AC's call center shines like a beacon in comparison.
Last edited by payam81; Jul 20, 2010 at 4:34 pm
#4
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SQ is good, but I wouldn't pay $2k for it, particularly if it forced a connection in the US. Arriving in the US on an international flight as a Canadian is a pretty horrible experience, quickly erasing any joy you may have gotten from the SQ service.
In addition, going down to SFO is going to make the flying time a lot longer and you're going to have domestic business for 10 hours of your return, so on balance you're not gaining a lot.
In addition, going down to SFO is going to make the flying time a lot longer and you're going to have domestic business for 10 hours of your return, so on balance you're not gaining a lot.
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SQ is great.... AC is great.... Let me compare the two
SQ Features:
- Book the cook
- A largeeee meal (App, Mains, Desserts, Cheese, Fruit, Fresh Noodles for midflight snack, A typical breakfast)
- Flat / wide bed facing forwards
- A real large screen TV
- Toiletries in the washroom
- Bag with just socks and eye cover
- Connection via US (outbound you can use the CNX shuttle, inbound you need to clear US Customs, walk across terminal and Security)
- Incur one more flight between SFO/YYZ (5 hours more) and flight CNX may be missed (protected if you buy it in one through ticket or made arrangements with both airlines of the CNX)
- Standardized protocol service with a desire to please the passenger (sometimes people feel its a lil overkill)
- To be honest I am not too pleased with SQ's SFO ground staff (the language I heard in another language was relatively rude)
AC Features
- 4 main courses along with Apps, Desserts, Cheese, Fruit, Packaged snacks and dim sum, cup noodles for midflight snack and a typical breakfast)
- Herringbone seats with widescreen TV (narrower than SQ) I beleive its a little harder back too
- Toiletres bag with toothbrush, socks, eyeshades, Lotion, Lip Balm
- You clear one customs only to canada.... (at first port of entry)
- AC will look after you from start to end and not be bounced around by two airlines laying blame if something goes wrong
- Canadian attitudes and intimacy service
- Less entertainment choices than SQ
Is it worth 2K? Dunno, its up to the individual.... I am happy with the sleep and service I get on AC
SQ Features:
- Book the cook
- A largeeee meal (App, Mains, Desserts, Cheese, Fruit, Fresh Noodles for midflight snack, A typical breakfast)
- Flat / wide bed facing forwards
- A real large screen TV
- Toiletries in the washroom
- Bag with just socks and eye cover
- Connection via US (outbound you can use the CNX shuttle, inbound you need to clear US Customs, walk across terminal and Security)
- Incur one more flight between SFO/YYZ (5 hours more) and flight CNX may be missed (protected if you buy it in one through ticket or made arrangements with both airlines of the CNX)
- Standardized protocol service with a desire to please the passenger (sometimes people feel its a lil overkill)
- To be honest I am not too pleased with SQ's SFO ground staff (the language I heard in another language was relatively rude)
AC Features
- 4 main courses along with Apps, Desserts, Cheese, Fruit, Packaged snacks and dim sum, cup noodles for midflight snack and a typical breakfast)
- Herringbone seats with widescreen TV (narrower than SQ) I beleive its a little harder back too
- Toiletres bag with toothbrush, socks, eyeshades, Lotion, Lip Balm
- You clear one customs only to canada.... (at first port of entry)
- AC will look after you from start to end and not be bounced around by two airlines laying blame if something goes wrong
- Canadian attitudes and intimacy service
- Less entertainment choices than SQ
Is it worth 2K? Dunno, its up to the individual.... I am happy with the sleep and service I get on AC
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What do I think?
I love SQ way more than AC. They are simply a better airline.
Having said that, I would still choose AC over SQ in this case, just because I have to transit thru the US if I fly SQ.
1. Longer flights
2. 2 customs to clear
3. Ridiculous security (especially at YYZ going to the US)
4. Can't lock bags
These would negate any benefits I would get from flying SQ.
I don't like YVR, but I would prefer YVR to any US airports.
If SQ had a YYZ-SIN non-stop flight, I would take SQ even if there was an even bigger fare difference!
Having said that, I would still choose AC over SQ in this case, just because I have to transit thru the US if I fly SQ.
1. Longer flights
2. 2 customs to clear
3. Ridiculous security (especially at YYZ going to the US)
4. Can't lock bags
These would negate any benefits I would get from flying SQ.
I don't like YVR, but I would prefer YVR to any US airports.
If SQ had a YYZ-SIN non-stop flight, I would take SQ even if there was an even bigger fare difference!
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In short you have to bear with a potentially long queue, plus deal with US customs. I've been on the UA flight and it was 30-40 mins from on the plane to being cleared. Luckily I didn't have checked baggage, the lineups to recheck baggage would of easily added another 30+ minutes.
If I was the OP I think I would rather avoid transiting the US.
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There are no priority lines for Canadian citizens, and customs is typically lined up. You can't use Nexus arriving Intl->US and Global Entry is only available to American citizens.
In short you have to bear with a potentially long queue, plus deal with US customs. I've been on the UA flight and it was 30-40 mins from on the plane to being cleared. Luckily I didn't have checked baggage, the lineups to recheck baggage would of easily added another 30+ minutes.
If I was the OP I think I would rather avoid transiting the US.
In short you have to bear with a potentially long queue, plus deal with US customs. I've been on the UA flight and it was 30-40 mins from on the plane to being cleared. Luckily I didn't have checked baggage, the lineups to recheck baggage would of easily added another 30+ minutes.
If I was the OP I think I would rather avoid transiting the US.
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There are no priority lines for Canadian citizens, and customs is typically lined up. You can't use Nexus arriving Intl->US and Global Entry is only available to American citizens.
In short you have to bear with a potentially long queue, plus deal with US customs. I've been on the UA flight and it was 30-40 mins from on the plane to being cleared. Luckily I didn't have checked baggage, the lineups to recheck baggage would of easily added another 30+ minutes.
If I was the OP I think I would rather avoid transiting the US.
In short you have to bear with a potentially long queue, plus deal with US customs. I've been on the UA flight and it was 30-40 mins from on the plane to being cleared. Luckily I didn't have checked baggage, the lineups to recheck baggage would of easily added another 30+ minutes.
If I was the OP I think I would rather avoid transiting the US.
The American passengers from my flight had all long cleared customs by the time I got to the front of the line.
Perhaps I'm just spoiled by Nexus, but just feel a little more herded in the US than other ports of entry.
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There are no priority lines for Canadian citizens, and customs is typically lined up. You can't use Nexus arriving Intl->US and Global Entry is only available to American citizens.
In short you have to bear with a potentially long queue, plus deal with US customs. I've been on the UA flight and it was 30-40 mins from on the plane to being cleared. Luckily I didn't have checked baggage, the lineups to recheck baggage would of easily added another 30+ minutes.
If I was the OP I think I would rather avoid transiting the US.
In short you have to bear with a potentially long queue, plus deal with US customs. I've been on the UA flight and it was 30-40 mins from on the plane to being cleared. Luckily I didn't have checked baggage, the lineups to recheck baggage would of easily added another 30+ minutes.
If I was the OP I think I would rather avoid transiting the US.
Last October I came back from Munich via Washington. The line up was horrendous and I only just made my connection that I had 2.5 hours for!
It's not just clearing immigration that is the pain. You then have to pick up your bags and re-clear security. God forbid you purchased any liquid duty free on board the aircraft or you are screwed! (unless you remember to put it in your checked luggage) I swore I would not fly international via US again after this, but time passed and it was time to take the family on a trip to the UK.
This time we went to Manchester (UK) via PHL. Coming back through PHL was the single most painful afternoon of my life. A wife, mother-in-law and 3 children under the age of 5, forced to stand in line for over 1.5 hours just to get through immigration! Then more waiting to clear security again. To rub salt into the wound our flight was an hour late leaving PHL as well.
My trip to Dublin in August has been booked from YYZ via LHR. No more US International connections for me...ever.