Mini RTW Questions
Jul 5, 2019, 9:02 am
#6571
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: YVR
Programs: SE 100K
Posts: 934
On the topic of co-terminals... anyone often get pushback / trouble when booking with AE agents on the phone?
When booking my recent mini-RTW flying into GMP (stopping over x 5 days), and then out of ICN seemed to bamboozle them and they claimed by routing was "incredibly invalid".
After explaining the rules to them they managed to begrudgingly process it.
Just normal AE agent variability perhaps?
When booking my recent mini-RTW flying into GMP (stopping over x 5 days), and then out of ICN seemed to bamboozle them and they claimed by routing was "incredibly invalid".
After explaining the rules to them they managed to begrudgingly process it.
Just normal AE agent variability perhaps?
Jul 5, 2019, 9:10 am
#6572
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Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: YVR
Programs: AC SE 2MM; UA MP Premier Silver; Marriott Bonvoy LT Titanium Elite; Radisson; Avis PC
Posts: 35,255
On the topic of co-terminals... anyone often get pushback / trouble when booking with AE agents on the phone?
When booking my recent mini-RTW flying into GMP (stopping over x 5 days), and then out of ICN seemed to bamboozle them and they claimed by routing was "incredibly invalid".
After explaining the rules to them they managed to begrudgingly process it.
Just normal AE agent variability perhaps?
When booking my recent mini-RTW flying into GMP (stopping over x 5 days), and then out of ICN seemed to bamboozle them and they claimed by routing was "incredibly invalid".
After explaining the rules to them they managed to begrudgingly process it.
Just normal AE agent variability perhaps?
Jul 5, 2019, 12:25 pm
#6573
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Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Florida
Posts: 29,740
There are plenty of co-terminals, though AE doesn't recognize all of them.
For the most part, co-terminals fall into two categories:
1) cities/regions with multiple airports
2) cities that, at least historically, had/have an int'l airport and an airport primarily used for domestic/regional flights
Some of the more useful ones:
YYZ/YTZ
EWR/JFK/LGA
IAD/DCA
LHR/LGW/LCY/STN/LTN
CDG/ORY
IST/SAW
NRT/HND
KIX/ITM
PVG/SHA
TPE/TSA
BKK/DMK
There are various other airports in the US that some, but not all airlines consider co-terminals, such as LAX/ONT, SFO/SJC, MIA/PBI.
For the most part, co-terminals fall into two categories:
1) cities/regions with multiple airports
2) cities that, at least historically, had/have an int'l airport and an airport primarily used for domestic/regional flights
Some of the more useful ones:
YYZ/YTZ
EWR/JFK/LGA
IAD/DCA
LHR/LGW/LCY/STN/LTN
CDG/ORY
IST/SAW
NRT/HND
KIX/ITM
PVG/SHA
TPE/TSA
BKK/DMK
There are various other airports in the US that some, but not all airlines consider co-terminals, such as LAX/ONT, SFO/SJC, MIA/PBI.
Our upcoming trip starts at MIA, return to FLL - it is treated as co-terminal so we have a total of 3 stops on the R/T. (I tried to have an overland between PER and SYD as some mentioned an overland within the destination would not be counted as OJ but agent said we would then need to return to MIA - not a problem but I am afraid the system would not validate the whole itinerary, given as much struggle the agent already had, I would rather not to "rock the boat" and kept PER as a pure Point of Turnaround instead.
Jul 5, 2019, 12:31 pm
#6574
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On the topic of co-terminals... anyone often get pushback / trouble when booking with AE agents on the phone?
When booking my recent mini-RTW flying into GMP (stopping over x 5 days), and then out of ICN seemed to bamboozle them and they claimed by routing was "incredibly invalid".
After explaining the rules to them they managed to begrudgingly process it.
Just normal AE agent variability perhaps?
When booking my recent mini-RTW flying into GMP (stopping over x 5 days), and then out of ICN seemed to bamboozle them and they claimed by routing was "incredibly invalid".
After explaining the rules to them they managed to begrudgingly process it.
Just normal AE agent variability perhaps?
YYZ and YTZ - have never had an ssue whatsoever
GMP - half the agents have never heard of that airport
Sometimes it helps to gently "guide" the agent, e.g. "flying into Seoul, South Korea - airport ICN - on May 1; continuing onwards from the other airport in Seoul - GMP - on May 6" etc.
Jul 5, 2019, 10:07 pm
#6575
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 80
I have finally booked the honeymoon trip, not ideal but with less than 2 months to go, im happy with the results;
YVR-NRT - AC - Y (hoping to upgrade) - STOP
NRT-CAN - NH - J
CAN-ADD - ET - J
ADD-SEZ - ET - Y - Turnaround
SEZ-ADD - ET - J
ADD-NBO - ET - J - STOP
NBO-CAI - MS - J
CAI-IST - MS - J
IST-PRG - TK - J - 18 hour layover
PRG-ZRH - LX - J - 22 hour layover
ZRH-YVR - AC -Y (for now)
Total fees was $1700, not cheap, but considering I was willing to spend $1500 on 2 one-way cash tickets from NBO-SEZ, im really happy with the result.
Thanks to everyone who helped me out so much!
YVR-NRT - AC - Y (hoping to upgrade) - STOP
NRT-CAN - NH - J
CAN-ADD - ET - J
ADD-SEZ - ET - Y - Turnaround
SEZ-ADD - ET - J
ADD-NBO - ET - J - STOP
NBO-CAI - MS - J
CAI-IST - MS - J
IST-PRG - TK - J - 18 hour layover
PRG-ZRH - LX - J - 22 hour layover
ZRH-YVR - AC -Y (for now)
Total fees was $1700, not cheap, but considering I was willing to spend $1500 on 2 one-way cash tickets from NBO-SEZ, im really happy with the result.
Thanks to everyone who helped me out so much!
YVR-LAX - AC - J
LAX-NRT - UA - J
even with the $210 charge to make the changes, came out with a $260 refund on fees/taxes.
Now i gotta keep looking for a TALT J flight from ZRH-YVR on the way back!
Jul 6, 2019, 5:37 pm
#6576
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: YYZ
Programs: AC SE, WJ Gold, Bonvoy Titanium Ambassador
Posts: 134
Hi,
Looking into the following trip for 2020, was hoping someone would be able to let me know if this is possible (current SE so hopefully helps making the booking).
YYZ-PEK (stop)
PEK-ICN
ICN-SYD (stop)
SYD-AKL (stop) will book side trip to Bora Bora from here
AKL-MEL
MEL-YVR
YVR-YYZ
Will be booking for 2 people in J.
Looking into the following trip for 2020, was hoping someone would be able to let me know if this is possible (current SE so hopefully helps making the booking).
YYZ-PEK (stop)
PEK-ICN
ICN-SYD (stop)
SYD-AKL (stop) will book side trip to Bora Bora from here
AKL-MEL
MEL-YVR
YVR-YYZ
Will be booking for 2 people in J.
Jul 6, 2019, 9:24 pm
#6577
Join Date: Mar 2019
Programs: Aeroplan
Posts: 99
Hi,
Looking into the following trip for 2020, was hoping someone would be able to let me know if this is possible (current SE so hopefully helps making the booking).
YYZ-PEK (stop)
PEK-ICN
ICN-SYD (stop)
SYD-AKL (stop) will book side trip to Bora Bora from here
AKL-MEL
MEL-YVR
YVR-YYZ
Will be booking for 2 people in J.
Looking into the following trip for 2020, was hoping someone would be able to let me know if this is possible (current SE so hopefully helps making the booking).
YYZ-PEK (stop)
PEK-ICN
ICN-SYD (stop)
SYD-AKL (stop) will book side trip to Bora Bora from here
AKL-MEL
MEL-YVR
YVR-YYZ
Will be booking for 2 people in J.
Jul 7, 2019, 11:08 pm
#6578
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: YTZ
Programs: Aeroplan, Asia Miles
Posts: 81
Just wondering how strict is Aeroplan with MPM after the first segment of the itinerary has departed?
i've got a one-way HKG-CAI-IST-ZRH-YUL-YYZ at 10961 MPM, and the max permitted is at 10977.
Say, after i've departed from HKG and am at CAI or IST, if lottery strikes and LH F at FRA opens up, and I call in to change it to IST-FRA-DTW-YYZ, which would be over at 11345, Would Aeroplan actually still check the entire itinerary's MPM even some of the leg has already been taken?
i've got a one-way HKG-CAI-IST-ZRH-YUL-YYZ at 10961 MPM, and the max permitted is at 10977.
Say, after i've departed from HKG and am at CAI or IST, if lottery strikes and LH F at FRA opens up, and I call in to change it to IST-FRA-DTW-YYZ, which would be over at 11345, Would Aeroplan actually still check the entire itinerary's MPM even some of the leg has already been taken?
Jul 9, 2019, 5:49 am
#6579
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 524
Does anyone see any issues with this itinerary for Mini RTW?
EWR - NRT (Open Jaw)
CTS - ICN (Stop)
ICN - TPE (Destination)
TPE - JFK (Return)
MPM for EWR-TPE is 10,959 according to Aeroplan site (using this method).
GCMapper distance for EWR-NRT-CTS-ICN-TPE is 9025, well under the MPM.
Does this work? Thanks!
EWR - NRT (Open Jaw)
CTS - ICN (Stop)
ICN - TPE (Destination)
TPE - JFK (Return)
MPM for EWR-TPE is 10,959 according to Aeroplan site (using this method).
GCMapper distance for EWR-NRT-CTS-ICN-TPE is 9025, well under the MPM.
Does this work? Thanks!
Jul 9, 2019, 5:56 am
#6580
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ps. Get here fast if you want any last remaining shred of authenticity, they are building a Hilton, sadly.
Jul 9, 2019, 4:33 pm
#6581
Join Date: Mar 2019
Programs: Aeroplan
Posts: 99
Does anyone see any issues with this itinerary for Mini RTW?
EWR - NRT (Open Jaw)
CTS - ICN (Stop)
ICN - TPE (Destination)
TPE - JFK (Return)
MPM for EWR-TPE is 10,959 according to Aeroplan site (using this method).
GCMapper distance for EWR-NRT-CTS-ICN-TPE is 9025, well under the MPM.
Does this work? Thanks!
EWR - NRT (Open Jaw)
CTS - ICN (Stop)
ICN - TPE (Destination)
TPE - JFK (Return)
MPM for EWR-TPE is 10,959 according to Aeroplan site (using this method).
GCMapper distance for EWR-NRT-CTS-ICN-TPE is 9025, well under the MPM.
Does this work? Thanks!
Jul 10, 2019, 5:49 am
#6582
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Join Date: May 2015
Location: BOS, YVR, ZRH
Programs: *G
Posts: 17,387
Does anyone see any issues with this itinerary for Mini RTW?
EWR - NRT (Open Jaw)
CTS - ICN (Stop)
ICN - TPE (Destination)
TPE - JFK (Return)
MPM for EWR-TPE is 10,959 according to Aeroplan site (using this method).
GCMapper distance for EWR-NRT-CTS-ICN-TPE is 9025, well under the MPM.
Does this work? Thanks!
EWR - NRT (Open Jaw)
CTS - ICN (Stop)
ICN - TPE (Destination)
TPE - JFK (Return)
MPM for EWR-TPE is 10,959 according to Aeroplan site (using this method).
GCMapper distance for EWR-NRT-CTS-ICN-TPE is 9025, well under the MPM.
Does this work? Thanks!
EWR-NRT /stop
NRT-ICN /open-jaw
TPE-JFK
Because icn-jfk is an unnecessary open-jaw because there's no easy way to do that, you might as well just include it and get your stopover back and do
EWR-NRT /stop
NRT-ICN / stop
ICN-TPE / destination
TPE-JFK
so instead of doing CTS-ICN direct like you presumably intended you'll just have to organize a NRT-CTS round-trip instead.
Jul 10, 2019, 10:11 am
#6583
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: YVR
Programs: TK Elite Plus, IC Plat Ambassador, HH Diamond
Posts: 918
Open-jaw is only allowed at the destination and uses up one of your stopovers, so you have both a stopover too many and an open-jaw at the wrong position. Allowed would be something like:
EWR-NRT /stop
NRT-ICN /open-jaw
TPE-JFK
Because icn-jfk is an unnecessary open-jaw because there's no easy way to do that, you might as well just include it and get your stopover back and do
EWR-NRT /stop
NRT-ICN / stop
ICN-TPE / destination
TPE-JFK
so instead of doing CTS-ICN direct like you presumably intended you'll just have to organize a NRT-CTS round-trip instead.
EWR-NRT /stop
NRT-ICN /open-jaw
TPE-JFK
Because icn-jfk is an unnecessary open-jaw because there's no easy way to do that, you might as well just include it and get your stopover back and do
EWR-NRT /stop
NRT-ICN / stop
ICN-TPE / destination
TPE-JFK
so instead of doing CTS-ICN direct like you presumably intended you'll just have to organize a NRT-CTS round-trip instead.
ANA flies out of HND to CTS. You may find flights out of CTS to ICN/GMP with connections other than TYO but these likely in Y.
I have a trip to CTS next February during the snow festival and there was very limited availability in Y (don’t bother trying to get J on domestic flights) between TYO and CTS using Aeroplan but lots of space using UA miles. I ended up booking HND-CTS for about C$133 O/W (special visit Japan fare on ANA when flying in on *A). This trip was not part of a mini RTW though, just throwing out some ideas.
Jul 11, 2019, 7:35 am
#6584
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 524
Open-jaw is only allowed at the destination and uses up one of your stopovers, so you have both a stopover too many and an open-jaw at the wrong position. Allowed would be something like:
EWR-NRT /stop
NRT-ICN /open-jaw
TPE-JFK
Because icn-jfk is an unnecessary open-jaw because there's no easy way to do that, you might as well just include it and get your stopover back and do
EWR-NRT /stop
NRT-ICN / stop
ICN-TPE / destination
TPE-JFK
so instead of doing CTS-ICN direct like you presumably intended you'll just have to organize a NRT-CTS round-trip instead.
EWR-NRT /stop
NRT-ICN /open-jaw
TPE-JFK
Because icn-jfk is an unnecessary open-jaw because there's no easy way to do that, you might as well just include it and get your stopover back and do
EWR-NRT /stop
NRT-ICN / stop
ICN-TPE / destination
TPE-JFK
so instead of doing CTS-ICN direct like you presumably intended you'll just have to organize a NRT-CTS round-trip instead.
Try NYC-HND-CTS, CTS-TPE on BR, TPE-ICN, ICN-NYC if ordering does not matter,
ANA flies out of HND to CTS. You may find flights out of CTS to ICN/GMP with connections other than TYO but these likely in Y.
I have a trip to CTS next February during the snow festival and there was very limited availability in Y (don’t bother trying to get J on domestic flights) between TYO and CTS using Aeroplan but lots of space using UA miles. I ended up booking HND-CTS for about C$133 O/W (special visit Japan fare on ANA when flying in on *A). This trip was not part of a mini RTW though, just throwing out some ideas.
Jul 16, 2019, 6:34 pm
#6585
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Location: BOS, YVR, ZRH
Programs: *G
Posts: 17,387
Aaaaand this is getting enhanced away. Just received this email:
Multi-City Flight Reward Bookings
Beginning September 1, 2019, members can continue to make Flight Reward bookings to multiple cities, but they will be limited to a maximum of one stopover or one open jaw, in addition to the point-of-turnaround. As today, for travel within the same continent (except for travel wholly within North America**), one open jaw is permitted but stopovers are not permitted.
RIP. get all your bookings in before September 1st!
Multi-City Flight Reward Bookings
Beginning September 1, 2019, members can continue to make Flight Reward bookings to multiple cities, but they will be limited to a maximum of one stopover or one open jaw, in addition to the point-of-turnaround. As today, for travel within the same continent (except for travel wholly within North America**), one open jaw is permitted but stopovers are not permitted.
RIP. get all your bookings in before September 1st!