Mini RTW Questions
Aug 29, 2019, 1:35 pm
#6796
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In CGK, arriving on NH, connecting to SQ - there was no transfer facilities apart from wait here, we need to get your bag, walk it to SQ checkin, and we will bring you your boarding pass. Took about half hour of waiting. Probably would have been easier entering the country and dealing with it all myself.
Aug 29, 2019, 1:41 pm
#6797
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Out of curiosity, what would happen if you had a booking with two stops and your POT, but then you had to miss the last flight (in this case YVR-YUL) due to, say, an illness or something else that came up after your stops/POT were already taken? Could you change the last flight by calling Aeroplan or is skipping the flight your only option if you can't actually make the flight?
If you just want to move it from a 3 hour connection to a 23 hour connection, that's fine.
Aug 29, 2019, 4:11 pm
#6798
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Thanks, that makes perfect sense. I was just curious if there was a similar flat tire type rule if something forced you to have to extend a connection beyond 24 hours.
Aug 30, 2019, 12:15 am
#6799
Join Date: Jul 2018
Posts: 101
Working on a last second mini RTW for next summer-ish. I think I have this down, but here goes:
YYZ-EWR 03-Jun 6:30 to 8:05 AC7644 F/J
EWR-BOS 03-Jun 21:59 to 23:17 UA2062 Y
BOS-LIS 04-Jun 18:20 to 5:45 TP218 F/J
LIS-FCO 05-Jun 19:50 to 23:50 TP838 F/J STOP
FCO-CAI 10-Jun 18:20 to 21:25 MS794 Y
CAI-IST 11-Jun 20:50 to 00:15 Tk695 F/J
IST-SIN 12-Jun 18:25 to 10:15 TK22 F/J
SIN-DPS 13-Jun 18:20 to 20:50 SQ948 F/J DEST
DPS-IST 17-Jun 21:00 to 5:25 TK67 F/J
IST-CDG 18-Jun 15:30 to 18:10 Tk1827 F/J STOP
ORY-LIS 25-Jun 19:10 to 20:35 TP431 F/J
LIS-YYZ 26-Jun 18:25 to 21:40 TP259 Y
OR FOR THE END ALTERNATIVELY (SINCE I CANT FIND LIS to YYZ in J)
CDG-ZRH 25-Jun 7:25 to 8:40 LX647 F/J
ZRH-YUL 25-Jun 12:50 to 3:10 LX86 F/J
YUL-YYZ 26-Jun 12:00to 13:24 AC411 Y
All of these legs show availability on aeroplan as one-way flights. I avoided AC other than the beginning and end (if home via YUL)
I believe my MPM should be ok, as DPS is my end with an MPM at about 16k. I picked DPS for that purpose, but wondering if there is a routing where i can keep rome and france, but hit say japan instead? Also, have i booked flights such that my YQ/fees will be reasonably low?
Help is greatly appreciated!
YYZ-EWR 03-Jun 6:30 to 8:05 AC7644 F/J
EWR-BOS 03-Jun 21:59 to 23:17 UA2062 Y
BOS-LIS 04-Jun 18:20 to 5:45 TP218 F/J
LIS-FCO 05-Jun 19:50 to 23:50 TP838 F/J STOP
FCO-CAI 10-Jun 18:20 to 21:25 MS794 Y
CAI-IST 11-Jun 20:50 to 00:15 Tk695 F/J
IST-SIN 12-Jun 18:25 to 10:15 TK22 F/J
SIN-DPS 13-Jun 18:20 to 20:50 SQ948 F/J DEST
DPS-IST 17-Jun 21:00 to 5:25 TK67 F/J
IST-CDG 18-Jun 15:30 to 18:10 Tk1827 F/J STOP
ORY-LIS 25-Jun 19:10 to 20:35 TP431 F/J
LIS-YYZ 26-Jun 18:25 to 21:40 TP259 Y
OR FOR THE END ALTERNATIVELY (SINCE I CANT FIND LIS to YYZ in J)
CDG-ZRH 25-Jun 7:25 to 8:40 LX647 F/J
ZRH-YUL 25-Jun 12:50 to 3:10 LX86 F/J
YUL-YYZ 26-Jun 12:00to 13:24 AC411 Y
All of these legs show availability on aeroplan as one-way flights. I avoided AC other than the beginning and end (if home via YUL)
I believe my MPM should be ok, as DPS is my end with an MPM at about 16k. I picked DPS for that purpose, but wondering if there is a routing where i can keep rome and france, but hit say japan instead? Also, have i booked flights such that my YQ/fees will be reasonably low?
Help is greatly appreciated!
Last edited by AdeAhmed; Aug 30, 2019 at 12:18 am Reason: Table not showing
Aug 30, 2019, 12:25 am
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Working on a last second mini RTW for next summer-ish. I think I have this down, but here goes:
YYZ-EWR 03-Jun 6:30 to 8:05 AC7644 F/J
EWR-BOS 03-Jun 21:59 to 23:17 UA2062 Y
BOS-LIS 04-Jun 18:20 to 5:45 TP218 F/J
LIS-FCO 05-Jun 19:50 to 23:50 TP838 F/J STOP
FCO-CAI 10-Jun 18:20 to 21:25 MS794 Y
CAI-IST 11-Jun 20:50 to 00:15 Tk695 F/J
IST-SIN 12-Jun 18:25 to 10:15 TK22 F/J
SIN-DPS 13-Jun 18:20 to 20:50 SQ948 F/J DEST
DPS-IST 17-Jun 21:00 to 5:25 TK67 F/J
IST-CDG 18-Jun 15:30 to 18:10 Tk1827 F/J STOP
ORY-LIS 25-Jun 19:10 to 20:35 TP431 F/J
LIS-YYZ 26-Jun 18:25 to 21:40 TP259 Y
OR FOR THE END ALTERNATIVELY (SINCE I CANT FIND LIS to YYZ in J)
CDG-ZRH 25-Jun 7:25 to 8:40 LX647 F/J
ZRH-YUL 25-Jun 12:50 to 3:10 LX86 F/J
YUL-YYZ 26-Jun 12:00to 13:24 AC411 Y
All of these legs show availability on aeroplan as one-way flights. I avoided AC other than the beginning and end (if home via YUL)
I believe my MPM should be ok, as DPS is my end with an MPM at about 16k. I picked DPS for that purpose, but wondering if there is a routing where i can keep rome and france, but hit say japan instead? Also, have i booked flights such that my YQ/fees will be reasonably low?
Help is greatly appreciated!
YYZ-EWR 03-Jun 6:30 to 8:05 AC7644 F/J
EWR-BOS 03-Jun 21:59 to 23:17 UA2062 Y
BOS-LIS 04-Jun 18:20 to 5:45 TP218 F/J
LIS-FCO 05-Jun 19:50 to 23:50 TP838 F/J STOP
FCO-CAI 10-Jun 18:20 to 21:25 MS794 Y
CAI-IST 11-Jun 20:50 to 00:15 Tk695 F/J
IST-SIN 12-Jun 18:25 to 10:15 TK22 F/J
SIN-DPS 13-Jun 18:20 to 20:50 SQ948 F/J DEST
DPS-IST 17-Jun 21:00 to 5:25 TK67 F/J
IST-CDG 18-Jun 15:30 to 18:10 Tk1827 F/J STOP
ORY-LIS 25-Jun 19:10 to 20:35 TP431 F/J
LIS-YYZ 26-Jun 18:25 to 21:40 TP259 Y
OR FOR THE END ALTERNATIVELY (SINCE I CANT FIND LIS to YYZ in J)
CDG-ZRH 25-Jun 7:25 to 8:40 LX647 F/J
ZRH-YUL 25-Jun 12:50 to 3:10 LX86 F/J
YUL-YYZ 26-Jun 12:00to 13:24 AC411 Y
All of these legs show availability on aeroplan as one-way flights. I avoided AC other than the beginning and end (if home via YUL)
I believe my MPM should be ok, as DPS is my end with an MPM at about 16k. I picked DPS for that purpose, but wondering if there is a routing where i can keep rome and france, but hit say japan instead? Also, have i booked flights such that my YQ/fees will be reasonably low?
Help is greatly appreciated!
Aug 30, 2019, 7:15 am
#6801
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 154
Working on a last second mini RTW for next summer-ish. I think I have this down, but here goes:
YYZ-EWR 03-Jun 6:30 to 8:05 AC7644 F/J
EWR-BOS 03-Jun 21:59 to 23:17 UA2062 Y
BOS-LIS 04-Jun 18:20 to 5:45 TP218 F/J
LIS-FCO 05-Jun 19:50 to 23:50 TP838 F/J STOP
FCO-CAI 10-Jun 18:20 to 21:25 MS794 Y
CAI-IST 11-Jun 20:50 to 00:15 Tk695 F/J
IST-SIN 12-Jun 18:25 to 10:15 TK22 F/J
SIN-DPS 13-Jun 18:20 to 20:50 SQ948 F/J DEST
DPS-IST 17-Jun 21:00 to 5:25 TK67 F/J
IST-CDG 18-Jun 15:30 to 18:10 Tk1827 F/J STOP
ORY-LIS 25-Jun 19:10 to 20:35 TP431 F/J
LIS-YYZ 26-Jun 18:25 to 21:40 TP259 Y
OR FOR THE END ALTERNATIVELY (SINCE I CANT FIND LIS to YYZ in J)
CDG-ZRH 25-Jun 7:25 to 8:40 LX647 F/J
ZRH-YUL 25-Jun 12:50 to 3:10 LX86 F/J
YUL-YYZ 26-Jun 12:00to 13:24 AC411 Y
All of these legs show availability on aeroplan as one-way flights. I avoided AC other than the beginning and end (if home via YUL)
I believe my MPM should be ok, as DPS is my end with an MPM at about 16k. I picked DPS for that purpose, but wondering if there is a routing where i can keep rome and france, but hit say japan instead? Also, have i booked flights such that my YQ/fees will be reasonably low?
Help is greatly appreciated!
YYZ-EWR 03-Jun 6:30 to 8:05 AC7644 F/J
EWR-BOS 03-Jun 21:59 to 23:17 UA2062 Y
BOS-LIS 04-Jun 18:20 to 5:45 TP218 F/J
LIS-FCO 05-Jun 19:50 to 23:50 TP838 F/J STOP
FCO-CAI 10-Jun 18:20 to 21:25 MS794 Y
CAI-IST 11-Jun 20:50 to 00:15 Tk695 F/J
IST-SIN 12-Jun 18:25 to 10:15 TK22 F/J
SIN-DPS 13-Jun 18:20 to 20:50 SQ948 F/J DEST
DPS-IST 17-Jun 21:00 to 5:25 TK67 F/J
IST-CDG 18-Jun 15:30 to 18:10 Tk1827 F/J STOP
ORY-LIS 25-Jun 19:10 to 20:35 TP431 F/J
LIS-YYZ 26-Jun 18:25 to 21:40 TP259 Y
OR FOR THE END ALTERNATIVELY (SINCE I CANT FIND LIS to YYZ in J)
CDG-ZRH 25-Jun 7:25 to 8:40 LX647 F/J
ZRH-YUL 25-Jun 12:50 to 3:10 LX86 F/J
YUL-YYZ 26-Jun 12:00to 13:24 AC411 Y
All of these legs show availability on aeroplan as one-way flights. I avoided AC other than the beginning and end (if home via YUL)
I believe my MPM should be ok, as DPS is my end with an MPM at about 16k. I picked DPS for that purpose, but wondering if there is a routing where i can keep rome and france, but hit say japan instead? Also, have i booked flights such that my YQ/fees will be reasonably low?
Help is greatly appreciated!
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=yyz-ewr-bos-lis-fco-cai-ist-sin-dps
Your inbound, even with the alternate routing is even shorter, so you're fine.
You mean you want to keep CDG and FCO in the picture, but with one of them as a layover, so that you can swap one of these stops for a stop in Japan/Asia? I agree with Smiley90. Just book a cash fare to join them instead, if you really want to make it a true visit instead of a < 24 hour experience.
Aug 30, 2019, 7:25 am
#6802
Join Date: Jul 2018
Posts: 101
Your branch out to DPS is good, well below the MPM:
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=yyz-ewr-bos-lis-fco-cai-ist-sin-dps
Your inbound, even with the alternate routing is even shorter, so you're fine.
You mean you want to keep CDG and FCO in the picture, but with one of them as a layover, so that you can swap one of these stops for a stop in Japan/Asia? I agree with Smiley90. Just book a cash fare to join them instead, if you really want to make it a true visit instead of a < 24 hour experience.
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=yyz-ewr-bos-lis-fco-cai-ist-sin-dps
Your inbound, even with the alternate routing is even shorter, so you're fine.
You mean you want to keep CDG and FCO in the picture, but with one of them as a layover, so that you can swap one of these stops for a stop in Japan/Asia? I agree with Smiley90. Just book a cash fare to join them instead, if you really want to make it a true visit instead of a < 24 hour experience.
what i mean is that id like to keep CDG and FCO as stopovers, but swap out DPS for say something in Japan or potentially Hong Kong or something. I chose DPS as i was having a hard time getting things to connect. Can I choose something else in that part of the world and still be generally ok? I haven't seen many routings with stops in europe on way to/from Japan for example, so i'm not sure how to amend my connections. I assume I'd change it starting at SIN, and try and get back to IST in order to get to CDG and on.
Anyone have comments as to the airlines being flown? Using certain business class products was not really a consideration, but would be interested in knowing if I happened upon any new/exciting J offerings.
Lastly, the taxes should be pretty reasonable on this, or no? Anyone have an idea roughly as to how much I should expect?
And lastly lastly, can anyone with kids comment as to whether I am out of my mind to even attempt this? My kids will be about 4 and 2.5 when we depart.
Aug 30, 2019, 8:49 am
#6803
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Toronto
Programs: Aero Plan, Marriott, Air Miles
Posts: 106
Thanks to few members who helped in pointing in right direction. Booked last night with unintentional open jaw due to one seat shortage between PER-SIN. During XMAS/NYE holidays season and getting for 3 pax on most of the flights J might be a success or Meh. Despite having huge taxes and cash fare to connect the open jaw from AUS-MNL.
Well, i have till 10pm tonight to change or cancel the itinerary if i find a better one with less layovers and close the Open Jaw. (PER-SIN has only 2 Y seats and ended up taking OJ just because of 1 seat shortage).
Have to burn lot of AVIOS for intra AUS/NZ flights + cash fare to reach MNL if i keep this OJ.
165k miles and $585 taxes + $34 agent fees. Total=$1860 for 3pax
YYZ-BOS AC 01:05 HRS
BOS-ZRH LX 7:35 HRS Z
RH-BRU LX 6N/5D
BRU-LIS TP 03:40 HRS
LIS-CMN TP 07:50 HRS
CMN-IST TK 03:40 HRS STOP-1
IST-PEK TK 07:50 HRS
PEK-SIN CA 03.00 HRS
SIN-PER SQ 8N/7D
PER-SIN SQ 07:00 HRS OPEN JAW
SIN-MNL SQ 5N/6D OPEN JAW
MNL-BKK TG 16:35 HRS
BKK-HKG TG 06:35 HRS
HKG-ZRH LX 06:35 HRS Z
RH-YUL LX 0:45 HRS NO PROPER
YUL-YYZ AC NEXT DAY CONNECTION
Well, i have till 10pm tonight to change or cancel the itinerary if i find a better one with less layovers and close the Open Jaw. (PER-SIN has only 2 Y seats and ended up taking OJ just because of 1 seat shortage).
Have to burn lot of AVIOS for intra AUS/NZ flights + cash fare to reach MNL if i keep this OJ.
165k miles and $585 taxes + $34 agent fees. Total=$1860 for 3pax
YYZ-BOS AC 01:05 HRS
BOS-ZRH LX 7:35 HRS Z
RH-BRU LX 6N/5D
BRU-LIS TP 03:40 HRS
LIS-CMN TP 07:50 HRS
CMN-IST TK 03:40 HRS STOP-1
IST-PEK TK 07:50 HRS
PEK-SIN CA 03.00 HRS
SIN-PER SQ 8N/7D
PER-SIN SQ 07:00 HRS OPEN JAW
SIN-MNL SQ 5N/6D OPEN JAW
MNL-BKK TG 16:35 HRS
BKK-HKG TG 06:35 HRS
HKG-ZRH LX 06:35 HRS Z
RH-YUL LX 0:45 HRS NO PROPER
YUL-YYZ AC NEXT DAY CONNECTION
Last edited by mkannuri; Aug 30, 2019 at 8:57 am
Aug 30, 2019, 3:44 pm
#6804
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Canada
Posts: 108
It looks good. You have max of 16 segments, within MPM. If you no show last flight there is no penalty, you just dont show up to your flight, simple. I've done this many times when its the last leg of the itinerary. And you can't use YVR as a stop because u have one OJ and one stop already in addition to POT.
As long as you find availability, this is great!
As long as you find availability, this is great!
I called in the first time and goofed on the inbound MPM because of the OJ, I started the calc from the start of the OJ (WLG - SIN) and not the POT (PER-WLG-SIN).
I did some quick fixing, decided to go across the pacific instead of through Europe since I wanted to give BR J a looksee and I've flown both LX and TK J already. Eventually booked the following:
YYZ-PER MPM 18050
(Outbound 12789 Mpm)
YYZ - TPE BR in J
TPE - SIN SQ in J (STOP)
SIN - PER SQ in J (POT)
(Inbound 17931)
(PER) - MEL - SIN SQ in J (OJ)
SIN - MNL SQ in J
MNL - GUM UA in Y
GUM - TKK - PNI - KWA - MAJ - HNL UA in Y (Island Hopper)
HNL-SFO UA in Y
SFO-YVR AC in J
YVR-YYC AC in J
All in it was 334 + 34 Booking fee and 160K points
Appreciate the help getting this one last mRTW out there!
Aug 30, 2019, 11:57 pm
#6805
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 82
Is there a limit to how long I can keep a booking valid by extending the time with itinerary changes? As an example, say I make a booking for August 2020. In August 2020, can I change the itinerary to August 2021? Could I continue to do that indefinitely? If so, would the conditions of the original booking (eg # of miles required even if there is a devaluation) be grandfathered into the changed bookings?
Also in terms of changes to an existing booking, are there limits to what can be changed? For example could I change a simple NA shorthaul booking in Y to a mini RTW in J as long as I pay the change fee and extra miles?
These seem to allowed in the T&Cs.
Also in terms of changes to an existing booking, are there limits to what can be changed? For example could I change a simple NA shorthaul booking in Y to a mini RTW in J as long as I pay the change fee and extra miles?
These seem to allowed in the T&Cs.
Aug 30, 2019, 11:58 pm
#6806
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Is there a limit to how long I can keep a booking valid by extending the time with itinerary changes? As an example, say I make a booking for August 2020. In August 2020, can I change the itinerary to August 2021? Could I continue to do that indefinitely? If so, would the conditions of the original booking (eg # of miles required even if there is a devaluation) be grandfathered into the changed bookings?
Also in terms of changes to an existing booking, are there limits to what can be changed? For example could I change a simple NA shorthaul booking in Y to a mini RTW in J as long as I pay the change fee and extra miles?
These seem to allowed in the T&Cs.
Also in terms of changes to an existing booking, are there limits to what can be changed? For example could I change a simple NA shorthaul booking in Y to a mini RTW in J as long as I pay the change fee and extra miles?
These seem to allowed in the T&Cs.
And for your second question: Theoretically, yes. I confirmed that if you have 2 stopovers before September 1, you will retain those and are allowed to make changes. However, I'm not sure if they'll let you ADD two stopovers to a booking made pre-September 1st...
FWIW: The agent said they had a LOT of people calling today, so I think a lot of people are trying to get their bookings in
Aug 31, 2019, 8:59 am
#6807
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 82
You have to start traveling within 364 days of booking, and you have to finish traveling within 364 days of your first flight. So no, you couldn't change the itinerary to August 2021/indefinitely.
And for your second question: Theoretically, yes. I confirmed that if you have 2 stopovers before September 1, you will retain those and are allowed to make changes. However, I'm not sure if they'll let you ADD two stopovers to a booking made pre-September 1st...
FWIW: The agent said they had a LOT of people calling today, so I think a lot of people are trying to get their bookings in
And for your second question: Theoretically, yes. I confirmed that if you have 2 stopovers before September 1, you will retain those and are allowed to make changes. However, I'm not sure if they'll let you ADD two stopovers to a booking made pre-September 1st...
FWIW: The agent said they had a LOT of people calling today, so I think a lot of people are trying to get their bookings in
It will be interesting to see what will be allowed in the new program, but I have to assume it will be worse, not better, compared to now.
I made my booking last week for July 2020. I have had to cancel my last 2 due to my wife's injury and I am hoping I won't have to cancel this one and then have to be at the mercy of the new program.
Aug 31, 2019, 10:59 am
#6808
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Toronto
Programs: Aero Plan, Marriott, Air Miles
Posts: 106
Thanks for the help!
I called in the first time and goofed on the inbound MPM because of the OJ, I started the calc from the start of the OJ (WLG - SIN) and not the POT (PER-WLG-SIN).
I did some quick fixing, decided to go across the pacific instead of through Europe since I wanted to give BR J a looksee and I've flown both LX and TK J already. Eventually booked the following:
YYZ-PER MPM 18050
(Outbound 12789 Mpm)
YYZ - TPE BR in J
TPE - SIN SQ in J (STOP)
SIN - PER SQ in J (POT)
(Inbound 17931)
(PER) - MEL - SIN SQ in J (OJ)
SIN - MNL SQ in J
MNL - GUM UA in Y
GUM - TKK - PNI - KWA - MAJ - HNL UA in Y (Island Hopper)
HNL-SFO UA in Y
SFO-YVR AC in J
YVR-YYC AC in J
All in it was 334 + 34 Booking fee and 160K points
Appreciate the help getting this one last mRTW out there!
I called in the first time and goofed on the inbound MPM because of the OJ, I started the calc from the start of the OJ (WLG - SIN) and not the POT (PER-WLG-SIN).
I did some quick fixing, decided to go across the pacific instead of through Europe since I wanted to give BR J a looksee and I've flown both LX and TK J already. Eventually booked the following:
YYZ-PER MPM 18050
(Outbound 12789 Mpm)
YYZ - TPE BR in J
TPE - SIN SQ in J (STOP)
SIN - PER SQ in J (POT)
(Inbound 17931)
(PER) - MEL - SIN SQ in J (OJ)
SIN - MNL SQ in J
MNL - GUM UA in Y
GUM - TKK - PNI - KWA - MAJ - HNL UA in Y (Island Hopper)
HNL-SFO UA in Y
SFO-YVR AC in J
YVR-YYC AC in J
All in it was 334 + 34 Booking fee and 160K points
Appreciate the help getting this one last mRTW out there!
i am surprised to see the taxes so low as similar itinery but having a stop over in CMN costed me $585 in taxes. with 165k taxes.
I have yet to receive the email confirmation with the taxes information where it actually costed much.
I ended up having OJ as well be PER-MNL as could not find any availability leaving AUS/NZ
Aug 31, 2019, 1:45 pm
#6809
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My FRA-BKK fell off the PNR.
Now I have one ticket, but two PNRs. This is ... a pain.
I hope I can get through-checked so I don't need to enter Europe.
Now I have one ticket, but two PNRs. This is ... a pain.
I hope I can get through-checked so I don't need to enter Europe.
Sep 1, 2019, 11:57 am
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