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Feb 16, 2019, 7:33 pm

#6031

Speedy12

Join Date: Apr 2007

Posts: 153

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speedy12

Just managed to book my 2nd ever mini RTW trip. Last minute trip to Asia again like 1st one last yr. Leaving in 3 weeks. Selected extra stop overs so to soak in biz class experience and lounge.

All segments in biz class except one which will be economy plus on Air Can. Was told if a biz seat opens up, I can get it at no extra charge.

Aeroplan reps (twice) picked up call within 30 secs. One today was super helpful. $630 in fees/taxes plus $30 for booking over phone. No way around the $630, mostly AC scam fees.

I will be flying biz class with Air Can, ANA, Thai Air, Sing and Air China. Tried Air Can and ANA and Thai Air previously.

Another epic trip. Super excited.

For the last segment, from PEK to YVR, I only have Air Can Premium Econ seat. If there is an open biz seat, I can get it at no extra cost. What is the chance there is an available biz seat come flight time?

I can keep checking online as well to see if one opens up for reward flight and call in.

Feb 19, 2019, 1:02 am

#6032

LoveSQ

Join Date: Jan 2011

Location: YYZ

Programs: AC Elite 75K, Hilton Diamond, Marriott Gold

Posts: 140

Where are all the Aeroplan reward seats to Asia in Jan 2020?

I'm trying to book Aeroplan reward seats in business to Asia in mid Jan 2020 - prefer JFK-ICN-SIN-CCU
Return in mid Feb - MUM-NRT-JFK or ORD in J.
No OZ or NH availability for the outbound and inbound respectively. Have all the R seats been taken or is it too early for them to be released to Aeroplan?

Thank you in advance for some guidance on this.
Recommended strategy to avail seats on these 2 airlines during that period?

Feb 20, 2019, 10:42 am

#6033

bluemeansgo

Join Date: Aug 2013

Location: Vancouver

Posts: 159

I am thinking about a potential routing like so:

YVR-YYZ-CAI-IST-SIN-(STOP)
SIN-KIX-OKA-HND-YVR

I'll have a stopover in either IST or CAI as well as OKA ( and I'm not sure of the order of that routing

MPM for YVR-SIN is 13206, but the routing is unfortunately 13980.
Great Circle Mapper

Does this mean that this route is impossible? Any suggestions on altering the route to make it work?

My main destination will be OKA and I'd really like to go to IST, but I'd like to hit as many places on the way as I can.

This will be my first mini-RTW.

Feb 20, 2019, 3:21 pm

#6034

tracon

Join Date: Dec 2002

Posts: 8,001

If availability works, try YYZ-IST-CAI-SIN.
That's within the MPM.
YVR-YUL-IST will shorten the route a bit more.

According to the MPM thread, YVR-MLE is 14,270.
That will open up lots of potential routings.

Feb 22, 2019, 9:07 am

#6035

bluemeansgo

Join Date: Aug 2013

Location: Vancouver

Posts: 159

Quote:

Originally Posted by tracon

Thanks so much! That's a great suggestion to add in MLE.... I was planning a stop in SIN, IST, and OKA... so I'd have to revise that plan a bit if so but it's nice to have options. I have found another routing BOS direct to IST so this might work.

One more question. Is SIN-KIX-OKA-TPE-YVR a valid routing, is is that backtracking? I'm not backtracking as far as SIN, so I think it's legal and well-within the MPM.

Feb 23, 2019, 2:57 pm

#6036

aleks77

Join Date: Sep 2017

Location: Vancouver

Posts: 80

Hey guys, trying to build my trip for our Honeymoon in July/August, here is what i have so far. Im not sure if im going to be over MPM?
YVR-SEZ mpm is 14,992
YVR-NOB mpm is 14,273

My trip from YVR-SEZ works out to 16,550 - and total is 26,454. Does it matter if im over MPM to my destination, or does the total only matter?
Also not sure about flying ADD-NOB-ADD-SEZ-ADD....since im going through the same city twice in one direction....

Here is my trip;

YVR-LAX
LAX-HND - STOP
HND-BKK
BKK-ADD
ADD-NBO - STOP
NBO-ADD
ADD-SEZ - DESTINATION
SEZ-ADD
ADD-DUB
DUB-YVR

Thanks for any help!

Last edited by aleks77; Feb 23, 2019 at 7:24 pm Reason: New plan

Feb 24, 2019, 6:22 am

#6037

monsieurcumulus

Join Date: Aug 2015

Location: YUL

Programs: Aeroplan 50K, Accor Diamond

Posts: 253

Quote:

Originally Posted by aleks77

That won’t work. You can’t go above the MPM on each side of your destination

You can go through the same city but it needs to be on each side of the destination. Here you’ll be in ADD 3 times so it’s impossible.

It’s very difficult to include SEZ in a mini RTW because of its location and sparse availability

Feb 24, 2019, 7:47 am

#6038

rankourabu

FlyerTalk Evangelist

Join Date: Jan 2002

Location: Canada

Programs: UA*1K MM

Posts: 23,297

Quote:

Originally Posted by aleks77

As post above said, it wont work.
If you want SEZ, you will have to go via the Atlantic, given flights only go from ADD or IST.

IST-SEZ was actually very easy to get for us last year.

Feb 24, 2019, 11:59 am

#6039

aleks77

Join Date: Sep 2017

Location: Vancouver

Posts: 80

Quote:

Originally Posted by rankourabu

As post above said, it wont work.
If you want SEZ, you will have to go via the Atlantic, given flights only go from ADD or IST.

IST-SEZ was actually very easy to get for us last year.

Thanks for the replies guys, I also figured it wouldn't work. How about this trip below, which only has ADD as a layover once on either side of destination;

YVR-LAX
LAX-HND - STOP
HND-BKK
BKK-ADD
ADD-SEZ -DESTINATION
SEZ-ADD
ADD-NBO - STOP
NBO-IST
IST-ZRH
ZRH-LHR
LHR-YVR (not 100% certain on return to YVR yet)

YVR-SEZ works out to 15,111 miles
SEZ-YVR works out to 11,472

YVR-SEZ MPM is 14,966

Feb 24, 2019, 12:02 pm

#6040

rankourabu

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Location: Canada

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Posts: 23,297

Quote:

Originally Posted by aleks77

YVR-SEZ works out to 15,111 miles
YVR-SEZ MPM is 14,966

So, you just answered your own question - no

Feb 24, 2019, 12:05 pm

#6041

aleks77

Join Date: Sep 2017

Location: Vancouver

Posts: 80

Quote:

Originally Posted by rankourabu

So, you just answered your own question - no

Apologies, i read the following on a blog;

The most significant trouble you might encounter when booking an itinerary is something called the MPM5 rule. MPM is Maximum Permitted Mileage. There is a published MPM between any two cities. That is, there is a published number of miles that you’re allowed to travel to get between point A and point B. If you exceed the MPM value, Aeroplan will not let you book it. There are two exceptions: (1) the ‘5’ in MPM5 means that you’re allowed to exceed the MPM value by 5%

Feb 24, 2019, 1:24 pm

#6042

Smiley90

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Join Date: May 2015

Location: BOS, YVR, ZRH

Programs: *G

Posts: 17,397

Quote:

Originally Posted by aleks77

that 5% doesn't exist anymore. / that blog article is outdated

canadiancow likes this.

Feb 24, 2019, 2:03 pm

#6043

aleks77

Join Date: Sep 2017

Location: Vancouver

Posts: 80

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smiley90

that 5% doesn't exist anymore. / that blog article is outdated

Got it, another idea we have is flying into SEZ from NBO on a separate cash ticket, or choosing a different tropical island.

Anyone have any other suggestions for a honeymoon island, we still want to fly YVR-HND and we want to do a safari in NBO (Kenya).

Cheers!

Feb 24, 2019, 3:08 pm

#6044

tracon

Join Date: Dec 2002

Posts: 8,001

MPM for MLE is 14, 270
Outbound
Return

I have no idea if AI flies DEL-NBO n/s.
If not, you may have to route through CAI and buy a separate ticket to NBO.
May be possible to open jaw CAI/NBO.
Connection in IST will put you over MPM.

Feb 24, 2019, 8:57 pm

#6045

monsieurcumulus

Join Date: Aug 2015

Location: YUL

Programs: Aeroplan 50K, Accor Diamond

Posts: 253

Quote:

Originally Posted by tracon

But open jaw should be at departure or destination, right?