so long as you are within MPM its possible*

*see post 3769

nope, jerry was right above. cannot transit the same city twice on one side of the turnaround - even if there is a stop in between. For instance, this is invalid: YYZ-VIE-KRR, KRR-VIE-SIN, SIN-NRT-YYZ.

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Old rules: that would be correct.

New rules: Depends on what agent you get and your negotiating skills.

Interesting. Really? I've had zero success convincing agents on anything except what "the computer decides" with the new rules, as everything seems to be autopriced these days. Do you have any factual basis for that statement? HUACA, at least in my case, has more or less gone the way of the dodo - with the notable exception on call centre fee waivers on intra-Japan flights (which won't be an issue in two months when the new ridiculous intra-Asia pricing goes in...)

1. The computer now places a premium on MPM above anything else.

2. Autopricing is a misnomer given agents still have have latitude on how to build the ticket so long as you don't exceed the hard cap (see point 1)

3. Definition of backtracking is not universally shared by agents (see point 2).

4. It also matters what call centre you get and time of day. (see point 2 & 3)

I'm not going to go into any further details on a public forum.

If you are unable to work the grey areas, then you're better off going with what the agent says so long as your routing is satisfactory to you.

I've modified my original response to be more clearer.

Jerryhung and pseudonim deserve an award for patience and answering the same questions over and over.

It seems what most people don't understand is is what Jerryhung says:

You're stuck with *A hubs - FRA, MUC, ZRH, BRU, IST, cph, waw

These are the places you will have to connect if you want to go to Europe and beyond. So yes, while you want to go to AMS you will have to go to another hub city to go somewhere else, unless you go back to yyz. So you can't just say I want to make a stop in Paris on my way to FCO.

Also, pseudonim's site is very helpful travelling and planning segment by segment. He has listed it in previous posts.

I didn't know this was possible either... but it's good news

Since now everything seems to be priced/validated by COMPUTER, and I think online website clearly greys out any latter trips that visit the same city (after the MPM)

Anyway, I'd call AP to book, but with backup options (non-IST) via other *A hubs (ZRH?) just in case

Can you just call in to see if the route is valid? Still working out the dates...

Yes, after possible long wait time, and agent won't be too happy :P

This is why I love FT at times. ^

I am working on an OZ routing for next month and the website sucks as most of know.

Hi,

Just wondering if these simple routings will work (just double checking):

YVR-ICN
ICN-HKG
HKG-HND
HND-YVR

OR:

YVR-HND
HND-HKG
HKG-ICN
ICN-YVR

OR:

YVR-KIX
KIX-HKG
HKG-ICN
ICN-YVR

Are they all valid? and interchangable for outbound and inbound legs with HKG as PoT?

YYZ->CDG AC
CDG->PEK CA
PEK->SIN->SYD Singapore airline
SYD->LAX->YYZ UA and AC

Is this possible?

You sure can. But whether the agent will give you the info, or even the correct info is another story.

Many of AP's seasoned agents have been furloughed (due to low call volume :rolleyes:) so the chance of getting a green agent is much higher now.

Your outbound routing is right on the border of MPM as SYD is your turnaround point and flying CDG-PEK is non great circle, and therefore going to eat up a lot of MPM. I would call in to have that validated.

New MPM rules have made it much more difficult to route to Asia/Oceania via Europe.

Your inbound SYD-LAX-YYZ is fine.