Mini RTW Questions

Old Aug 17, 2014, 4:08 pm
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Didn't read that right the first time! YYC-VFA MPM5 is 12,468 over the Atlantic and 16,382 over the Pacific.

Unfortunately, even the simpler YYC-SEA-SIN-BOM-JNB-VFA flight is over MPM5 this way (it's 16,639 miles).
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Old Aug 17, 2014, 4:29 pm
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Also yyc-nrt-can-sin-bom-jnb-vfa would work and would be about 15747 mi and within MPM5%, no sure about availability for the SIN onward legs for OPs dates though...
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Old Aug 18, 2014, 8:01 am
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Hi krayZpaving, arcticbull, and mountaingrl:

Appreciate your help everyone!

There is only the one way in/out of VFA on Star Alliance so it is good that I can do that.

If I may, I have taken what you have reported and think that I have overcome the challenges identified. To be honest, and just out of my curiosity, is there no issue with the routing being ORIGIN-STOP-STOP-TURNAROUND-ORIGIN. Meaning, I did not think of VFA being the turnaround point determining mileage... I would of thought it would be the middle destination (India). But it appears from what you folks have said that it is the farthest destination is what matters... just to confirm.

Also, out of more curiosity, does a stop on a flight count as milage (e.g.: as seen below, AI 343 is 'direct' from SIN to BOM, but has a stop in MAA. Does mileage get calculated as SIN-BOM or SIN-MAA-BOM)?

So, I have come up with this:

03JUN AC8301 X YYC 0850 SEA 0923 CRJ
03JUN NH177 I SEA 1315 NRT 1540+1 787
04JUN NH933 I NRT 1720 CAN 2110 767
05JUN SQ853 I CAN 0120 SIN 0520 330

09JUN AI343 I SIN 0825 BOM 1305 787 (1 stop in MAA)

11JUN SA285 I BOM 0135 JNB 0655 330
11JUN SA40 I JNB 1050 VFA 1235 319

16JUN SA41 I VFA 1315 JNB 1455 319
16JUN SA224 I JNB 2320 GRU 0455+1 330
17JUN UA844 I GRU 2110 ORD 0535+1 777
18JUN UA1524 X ORD 0730 YYC 1018 737


According to gcmap.com, YYC-SEA-NRT-CAN-SIN-BOM-JNB-VFA is 16,018 (under the 16,382 allowance someone said that I have) and VFA-JNB-GRU-ORD-YYC is 11,811 (also under the 12,468 limit)

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Old Aug 18, 2014, 9:52 am
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If your routing is under MPM (which you claim it is) and you are not backtracking (which your not (VFA is your destination being the furthest point of travel, and your flying in and out via JNB which is permitted on the destination) then you are good. I would call in and book this before availability dries up.
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Old Aug 18, 2014, 11:04 am
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Yes, your stops can both be on the same side of the destination. Your destination is always your furthest away stop of >24 hours.
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Old Aug 19, 2014, 1:18 am
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Originally Posted by YYC009
Hi krayZpaving, arcticbull, and mountaingrl:

Appreciate your help everyone!

There is only the one way in/out of VFA on Star Alliance so it is good that I can do that.

If I may, I have taken what you have reported and think that I have overcome the challenges identified. To be honest, and just out of my curiosity, is there no issue with the routing being ORIGIN-STOP-STOP-TURNAROUND-ORIGIN. Meaning, I did not think of VFA being the turnaround point determining mileage... I would of thought it would be the middle destination (India). But it appears from what you folks have said that it is the farthest destination is what matters... just to confirm.

Also, out of more curiosity, does a stop on a flight count as milage (e.g.: as seen below, AI 343 is 'direct' from SIN to BOM, but has a stop in MAA. Does mileage get calculated as SIN-BOM or SIN-MAA-BOM)?

So, I have come up with this:

03JUN AC8301 X YYC 0850 SEA 0923 CRJ
03JUN NH177 I SEA 1315 NRT 1540+1 787
04JUN NH933 I NRT 1720 CAN 2110 767
05JUN SQ853 I CAN 0120 SIN 0520 330

09JUN AI343 I SIN 0825 BOM 1305 787 (1 stop in MAA)

11JUN SA285 I BOM 0135 JNB 0655 330
11JUN SA40 I JNB 1050 VFA 1235 319

16JUN SA41 I VFA 1315 JNB 1455 319
16JUN SA224 I JNB 2320 GRU 0455+1 330
17JUN UA844 I GRU 2110 ORD 0535+1 777
18JUN UA1524 X ORD 0730 YYC 1018 737


According to gcmap.com, YYC-SEA-NRT-CAN-SIN-BOM-JNB-VFA is 16,018 (under the 16,382 allowance someone said that I have) and VFA-JNB-GRU-ORD-YYC is 11,811 (also under the 12,468 limit)
1-stop flights are calculated for mileage purposes as though the stop does not exist (i.e. your SIN-MAA-BOM would be calculated as SIN-BOM as you've done). This can be a double-edged sword as this applies the same way on the earn side as it does on the burn side. For instance AC33 YYZ-YVR-SYD you earn the YYZ-SYD direct mileage. As others have mentioned you can have your two stops on one side of your destination.

Your itinerary looks solid to me.

Get that booked before space goes away let us know what your total taxes/fees/charges/surcharges were too, I'm curious.

[edit] That's a lovely itinerary.
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=yyc-sea...nb-gru-ord-yyc

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Old Aug 19, 2014, 2:43 pm
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Has this trip got legs?

I'm a newbie looking at a mini rtw for next summer and wanted to know if there were any rules around the number of legs to your turnaround destination. I would like to have 4 legs there and 6 legs home - do you experts see an issues with this?

Current favorite itinerary which seems to satisfy MPM+5:

yyz-ord-nrt(layover)-tpe-dps(destination)-sin(stopover)-bkk-dac(layover)-ist(stopover)-lhr(layover)-yyz

Thanks!

N
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Old Aug 19, 2014, 2:56 pm
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10 legs total is fine.
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Old Aug 19, 2014, 7:34 pm
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Originally Posted by NaomiF
I'm a newbie looking at a mini rtw for next summer and wanted to know if there were any rules around the number of legs to your turnaround destination. I would like to have 4 legs there and 6 legs home - do you experts see an issues with this?

Current favorite itinerary which seems to satisfy MPM+5:

yyz-ord-nrt(layover)-tpe-dps(destination)-sin(stopover)-bkk-dac(layover)-ist(stopover)-lhr(layover)-yyz

Thanks!

N
Going to be an expensive trip going via LHR and flying AC and what I am assuming will be NH (ORD-NRT)
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Old Aug 19, 2014, 7:56 pm
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I'd say drop Bali as a destination and just buy a cheap ticket from Singapore, and use a stop somewhere else in Europe. Connecting in London seems like an expensive proposition considering it'll cost you $450 in fuel surcharges for that single night
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Old Aug 19, 2014, 9:48 pm
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Originally Posted by NaomiF
I'm a newbie looking at a mini rtw for next summer and wanted to know if there were any rules around the number of legs to your turnaround destination. I would like to have 4 legs there and 6 legs home - do you experts see an issues with this?

Current favorite itinerary which seems to satisfy MPM+5:

yyz-ord-nrt(layover)-tpe-dps(destination)-sin(stopover)-bkk-dac(layover)-ist(stopover)-lhr(layover)-yyz

Thanks!

N
No problem with 10 legs.
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Old Aug 19, 2014, 9:53 pm
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Originally Posted by crimsona
I'd say drop Bali as a destination and just buy a cheap ticket from Singapore, and use a stop somewhere else in Europe. Connecting in London seems like an expensive proposition considering it'll cost you $450 in fuel surcharges for that single night
Indeed; why not just fly IST-YYZ or IST-YUL instead? TK service to Canada beats AC service hands down (sorry Bens!)
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Old Aug 20, 2014, 12:00 pm
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Thanks for the feedback!

UA flys direct from ORD so no YQ .

Crimsona, Bali *is* my reason for flying but I take your point about low regional fares out of SIN and will give it some think.

Iím having quick visits with friends at my layovers so am loath to give them up but, seriously, $450 YQ for AC from LHR-YYZ?!!! Holy @#$@%!^&!! I may have to skip lunch in London!

Cheers again!
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Old Aug 20, 2014, 1:42 pm
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Not only 450, longer travel time, more connections and lower quality service; they better be darn good friends...

Besides, what happens if the flight is delayed or canceled and you are re-routed; then you paid 450$ for nothing...

Just sayin'
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Old Aug 20, 2014, 1:48 pm
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Bali is Asia 2, Singapore is Asia 1, it'll save you miles and you'll free up a stopover in Europe or elsewhere.
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