Mini RTW Questions

Old Jul 19, 2014, 8:48 pm
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EDIT: Never mind, was not searching with a wide enough date range, there is some J available IST-YUL regularly pretty far out. IST-YYZ seems to be tougher however...

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Old Jul 20, 2014, 10:30 am
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Hey guys,

I am really trying to wrap my head around the best way to do this and I'm running up against a brick wall so I am looking for some assistance.

We live in YYC and would like to go to the following cities in Business Class:

CDG
ATH
IST
CPT
SYD

I see that the routing from YYC to CPT would yield a one way mileage of 9804 based on the GCM.

We are open to the routing direction (TAL or TPAC) but would rather go:

YYC-CDG (Open Jaw)
CDG-IST or ATH (internal paid flight)
IST-CPT (Destination)
CPT-SYD (Stop)
SYD-YYC

The problem that I am running up against is the ridiculously high taxes that result from YYC-CDG.

I have a few questions:

1. Does my routing make sense?
2. What is the best way to reduce taxes/fees with this routing?
3. Is there any other routing I should consider if my main driver is flying the best business class product on the best planes (A380, 787)?

TIA

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Old Jul 20, 2014, 10:53 am
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Originally Posted by llcooljayce
Hey guys,

I am really trying to wrap my head around the best way to do this and I'm running up against a brick wall so I am looking for some assistance.

We live in YYC and would like to go to the following cities in Business Class:

CDG
ATH
IST
CPT
SYD

I see that the routing from YYC to CPT would yield a one way mileage of 9804 based on the GCM.

We are open to the routing direction (TAL or TPAC) but would rather go:

YYC-CDG (Open Jaw)
CDG-IST or ATH (internal paid flight)
IST-CPT (Destination)
CPT-SYD (Stop)
SYD-YYC

The problem that I am running up against is the ridiculously high taxes that result from YYC-CDG.

I have a few questions:

1. Does my routing make sense?
2. What is the best way to reduce taxes/fees with this routing?
3. Is there any other routing I should consider if my main driver is flying the best business class product on the best planes (A380, 787)?

TIA
-So many things wrong with this....

-So first things first; SYD is your destination as it is the furthest point;

-YYC-SYD is not possible via the Atlantic (So forget CDG,IST,ATH and CPT).

-YYZ-SYD is, and allows 20,000 MPM or 21,000 MPM+5

-Say you buy a revenu ticket; or just a round trip aeroplan ticket YYC-YYZ to start in Toronto;

-Now you have way too many destinations, CPT really complicates things with regards to how would you fly CPT-SYD; few carriers are available, and worst still some like SQ offer little to no availability on premium routes, and the routes available are old out dated J class.

-If you are willing to cut CPT out and start in YYZ; then your trip becomes supper easy;

-YYZ-YUL-ZRH-CDG(Stop)-IST(Stop)-PEK-SYD(Destination) would be easy enough to come by....

-For your return you can do 2 things; go back via asia+europe (long routing, multiple days, or simply bite the bullet and fly back via say SYD-YVR-YYC-YYZ and skip the last segment and end in Calgary. (Saving time and points or revenue ticket back to YYC).

-CPT is possible but hard to work out, and depending on the agent you might get dinged for South Africa Zone versus Australia Zone (More points).

-Big taxes come on AC,LH,TG too name a few, and afair, TK offers excellent fares out of IST so IST-ATH should be pretty cheap (check matrix.itasoftware.com) on a calendar search
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Old Jul 20, 2014, 11:08 am
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Thanks for pointing me in the right direction hearna.

The destination we would really like to get to is CPT and we would be willing to cut out Australia entirely. With that being said, would this work:

YYC-YYZ/YUL-CDG (open jaw stop)
CDG-IST (revenue tix)
IST-CPT (destination)
CPT return via Asia or South America

Or would it make more sense to go TAL to save on taxes?

YYC-CPT (destination)
CPT-IST (stop)
IST-CDG (revenue tix)
CDG-YYZ/YUL-YYC

Any help would be appreciated!
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Old Jul 20, 2014, 11:33 am
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Originally Posted by llcooljayce
Thanks for pointing me in the right direction hearna.

The destination we would really like to get to is CPT and we would be willing to cut out Australia entirely. With that being said, would this work:

YYC-YYZ/YUL-CDG (open jaw stop)
CDG-IST (revenue tix)
IST-CPT (destination)
CPT return via Asia or South America

Or would it make more sense to go TAL to save on taxes?

YYC-CPT (destination)
CPT-IST (stop)
IST-CDG (revenue tix)
CDG-YYZ/YUL-YYC

Any help would be appreciated!
Seriously start with reading a bit:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-c...-mini-rtw.html

Right off the bat if you are having trouble with keeping YQ down it means that you aren't even looking for routings from YYC-CDG that involve travel through the US. What are you using for your searches - see the above link and learn how to use the ANA tool, UA blue saver awards etc. And if you have an open jaw - you are limited to one other stop you could only do CPT and your OJ and no other stop. I'm not even sure if that works....
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Old Jul 21, 2014, 3:28 pm
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Agent says no I say yes YYZ-SYD HELP

So I have a big trip coming 420000 points for 2

yyz-muc-bkk-syd

return

syd-bkk-zrh-mia-yyz

all a and j class

this is valid and booked

i want to change so that instead of syd its akl ( auckland)

so its one open jaw

they say its over miles

i say the current itinerary is also over miles but its a valid thai air booking so it doesnt matter

this would save me a day of travel

am i correct

does anyone have a supervisor name at Aeroplan

i was dealing with one inflexible person at aeroplan
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Old Jul 21, 2014, 4:01 pm
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It's not over mileage for YYZ-SYD over the Atlantic.

It is over mileage for YYZ-AKL (does not exist over Atlantic).
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Old Jul 21, 2014, 4:05 pm
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Originally Posted by crimsona
It's not over mileage for YYZ-SYD over the Atlantic.

It is over mileage for YYZ-AKL (does not exist over Atlantic).
that's what i was thinking, but syd is still point of turnaround so wouldn't the north atlantic mpm be valid?
the return is still under 21000 for 5m.
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Old Jul 21, 2014, 4:12 pm
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Originally Posted by yerffej201
that's what i was thinking, but syd is still point of turnaround so wouldn't the north atlantic mpm be valid?
the return is still under 21000 for 5m.
True, if they calculate it properly (SYD-YYZ with the surface sector instead of AKL to YYZ).

Maybe just call back
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Old Jul 21, 2014, 4:54 pm
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Originally Posted by llcooljayce
Thanks for pointing me in the right direction hearna.

The destination we would really like to get to is CPT and we would be willing to cut out Australia entirely. With that being said, would this work:

YYC-YYZ/YUL-CDG (open jaw stop)
CDG-IST (revenue tix)
IST-CPT (destination)
CPT return via Asia or South America

Or would it make more sense to go TAL to save on taxes?

YYC-CPT (destination)
CPT-IST (stop)
IST-CDG (revenue tix)
CDG-YYZ/YUL-YYC

Any help would be appreciated!
I would agree with mountaingirl on doing a bit of reading...

If you want to cut SYD out then, you can keep CDG/IST/CPT as destinations; no rev ticket required.

Your problem is going to be avoiding LH/AC to avoid YQ and routing (Tk to CPT is very difficult)

If you can find say YYC-YUL-ZRH-CDG(stop)-IST(Stop)-XXX-CPT and then back you should be fine.

I did a trip last year actually that was

YOW-YYZ-IST(Stop)-JNB-CPT(Stop)-IST-GVA(stop)-ZRH-YUL-YOW

If your having a hard time with availability on tk to south africa look up options with MS via CAI or ET via ADD;

TK YYZ-IST-YYZ is very difficult but some have claimed that YUL-IST-YUL has some availability to it.
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Old Jul 21, 2014, 8:03 pm
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problem solved

so i called back to aeroplan

got a non chinese non anal helpful wonderful agent named Suk

stand corrected thought she was Korean but was from India

she booked me

1/7 YYZ-YUL J class
1/7 YUL-CDG J class
1/8 CDG-BKK A class
1/9 BKK-AKL J class

return

2/12 SYD-BKK A class
2/13 BKK-ZRH A class
2/13 ZRH-MIA J class
3/ 10 MIA-YYZ J class

one stopover( Mia) where I reside

one open Jaw arrive AKL return SYD

total for 2 people 420000 points and 1500 taxes

so as a joke priced it out online if i were paying best price for all flights business and first

8 flights 29000 total per person total $58000.

or 420000 points and 1500 taxes etc

thank you aeroplan
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Old Jul 22, 2014, 10:14 am
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TG meal pre-order for J

Originally Posted by Academic
The AC ticket locator is different from the ones on the other airlines. You can call them to get those and you should be able to select seats as well.


On AE *A Awards you aren't allowed cabin changes on other. However, it is always worth asking.



On AC 777 6A/K or 11 A/K are best followed by the middle seats in 6 and 11.
On UA 744, go for an aisle seat because it's difficult to get out if you're in the middle. There's not much difference between the rows but you can choose facing forward or backwards. Check Seatguru for more information. The lie-flats are very comfortable.
ON TG BKK-SIN it will probably be a basket type J seat. No big differences. I don't know the 744.
On the E90s, row A is all single seats.
I have connected AC to TG out of PEK or HKG on to BKK and beyond on AP reward tickets. I get the TG locator from AP, then phone Thai or use their 'manage my bookings' page on Thai website for seat selection.

On 747 service I prefer upper deck. Once you have TG locator number, you can go to TG website and also pre-order meals (I don't mean special meals for dietary/religious restrictions, although you can do that too, I mean choose amongst different menus) at this page:

http://www.thaiairways.com/en/Manage...ng_tab_3.page?

You can't easily get to the meal menu selection page within the general 'manage my bookings' page; there they only offer you special meals for health/religious reasons, not the full menu.
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Old Jul 22, 2014, 10:47 am
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Originally Posted by mboca28

1/7 YYZ-YUL J class
1/7 YUL-CDG J class
1/8 CDG-BKK A class
1/9 BKK-AKL J class

return

2/12 SYD-BKK A class
2/13 BKK-ZRH A class
2/13 ZRH-MIA J class
3/ 10 MIA-YYZ J class

one stopover( Mia) where I reside

one open Jaw arrive AKL return SYD

total for 2 people 420000 points and 1500 taxes
Looks good, taxes are reasonable,
I can try to guess the carriers but could you verify these and the associated taxes for each or total fuel cost. I am looking at something similar for us with a stopover in Europe. If AC and TG are used, taxes seem low.
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Old Jul 22, 2014, 1:18 pm
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tg taxes always low

the thai taxes are usually very low, its ac that hurts
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Old Jul 22, 2014, 9:06 pm
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Has anyone seen availability of NZ for NRT-AKL-NRT?

I checked 330 days and its zilch. Last year for this year was bookable.
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