Mini RTW Questions
Oct 16, 2013, 11:39 am
#1801
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: YYZ
Programs: MR Plat
Posts: 383
Some change in plans...
Would this work?
YYZ-(via TPE on BR)-HKG(STOP)-PEK(STOP)-NRT(STOP)-YYZ
Would they consider HKG as the POT or PEK?
If we're doing a Beijing/Xian tour, is there a way to fit in the Xian-Beijing leg in there with points or does that have to be bought separately? Flight from Beijing to Xian is part of tour costs.
Would this work?
YYZ-(via TPE on BR)-HKG(STOP)-PEK(STOP)-NRT(STOP)-YYZ
Would they consider HKG as the POT or PEK?
If we're doing a Beijing/Xian tour, is there a way to fit in the Xian-Beijing leg in there with points or does that have to be bought separately? Flight from Beijing to Xian is part of tour costs.
Last edited by Globex; Oct 16, 2013 at 12:10 pm
Oct 16, 2013, 4:29 pm
#1802
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Montreal, Canada
Programs: SPG Platium, PC Ambassador & Platium, Aeroplan Elite
Posts: 101
To answer your questions in order:
- Yes
- Yes
- Yes, CA is your only choice for this one.
- No, OZ does not have the QS seat on ORD-ICN. They operate the QS seat out of LAX and JFK for certain (not sure about SFO after the accident.)
If you can get the 773 on CA from PEK-LAX it's going to be a decent seat, lie-flat and no scamcharges.
I'd recommend the following itinerary for you (should be minimal scamcharges)
Dec 2: AC429 YUL-YYZ
Dec 3: BR35 YYZ-TPE (2.5 hr layover)
Dec 4: BR712 TPE-PVG (4 hr layover)
?: PVG-CTU (CA)
?: CTU-HKG (CA)
Dec 29: CA1354 SYX-PEK (5 hr layover)
Dec 29: CA983 PEK-LAX (6 hr layover)
Dec 29: AC771 LAX-YUL
(Unfortunately, Dec 1-3 I couldn't find YUL-ZRH-PVG on LX, nor could I find PEK-ZRH-YUL on the 29/30)
- Yes
- Yes
- Yes, CA is your only choice for this one.
- No, OZ does not have the QS seat on ORD-ICN. They operate the QS seat out of LAX and JFK for certain (not sure about SFO after the accident.)
If you can get the 773 on CA from PEK-LAX it's going to be a decent seat, lie-flat and no scamcharges.
I'd recommend the following itinerary for you (should be minimal scamcharges)
Dec 2: AC429 YUL-YYZ
Dec 3: BR35 YYZ-TPE (2.5 hr layover)
Dec 4: BR712 TPE-PVG (4 hr layover)
?: PVG-CTU (CA)
?: CTU-HKG (CA)
Dec 29: CA1354 SYX-PEK (5 hr layover)
Dec 29: CA983 PEK-LAX (6 hr layover)
Dec 29: AC771 LAX-YUL
(Unfortunately, Dec 1-3 I couldn't find YUL-ZRH-PVG on LX, nor could I find PEK-ZRH-YUL on the 29/30)
I have the exact itinerary planned, is CA983 the lie flat seat you recommend?
For PVG to HKG, I am thinking using EVA to do PVG-TPE-HKG
On Dec 29th and 30th, basically not much choices that I can pick from. The layover in PEK and LAX is a killer
If I take the above suggestion, it looks like this.
YUL-YYZ-TPE-PVG STOP
PVG-TPE-HKG Open Jaw
SYX-PEK-LAX-YUL
Does this mean I can add an extra stop in either ICN or TPE from PVG if I want to because I am doing open jaw to SYX?
Oct 16, 2013, 6:10 pm
#1803
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: YYZ
Programs: MR Plat
Posts: 383
Thanks you for your suggestion.
I have the exact itinerary planned, is CA983 the lie flat seat you recommend?
For PVG to HKG, I am thinking using EVA to do PVG-TPE-HKG
On Dec 29th and 30th, basically not much choices that I can pick from. The layover in PEK and LAX is a killer
If I take the above suggestion, it looks like this.
YUL-YYZ-TPE-PVG STOP
PVG-TPE-HKG Open Jaw
SYX-PEK-LAX-YUL
Does this mean I can add an extra stop in either ICN or TPE from PVG if I want to because I am doing open jaw to SYX?
I have the exact itinerary planned, is CA983 the lie flat seat you recommend?
For PVG to HKG, I am thinking using EVA to do PVG-TPE-HKG
On Dec 29th and 30th, basically not much choices that I can pick from. The layover in PEK and LAX is a killer
If I take the above suggestion, it looks like this.
YUL-YYZ-TPE-PVG STOP
PVG-TPE-HKG Open Jaw
SYX-PEK-LAX-YUL
Does this mean I can add an extra stop in either ICN or TPE from PVG if I want to because I am doing open jaw to SYX?
So YUL-PVG // SYX-YUL and any >24hr layovers in between is what you can do. You won't be able to stop in PVG and Open Jaw in HKG//SYX.
If I'm wrong, somebody please correct me (and hopefully, I'm wrong, because I may want to do something similar
)
Oct 16, 2013, 7:09 pm
#1804
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: YYZ
Posts: 1,666
Thanks you for your suggestion.
I have the exact itinerary planned, is CA983 the lie flat seat you recommend?
For PVG to HKG, I am thinking using EVA to do PVG-TPE-HKG
On Dec 29th and 30th, basically not much choices that I can pick from. The layover in PEK and LAX is a killer
If I take the above suggestion, it looks like this.
YUL-YYZ-TPE-PVG STOP
PVG-TPE-HKG Open Jaw
SYX-PEK-LAX-YUL
Does this mean I can add an extra stop in either ICN or TPE from PVG if I want to because I am doing open jaw to SYX?
I have the exact itinerary planned, is CA983 the lie flat seat you recommend?
For PVG to HKG, I am thinking using EVA to do PVG-TPE-HKG
On Dec 29th and 30th, basically not much choices that I can pick from. The layover in PEK and LAX is a killer
If I take the above suggestion, it looks like this.
YUL-YYZ-TPE-PVG STOP
PVG-TPE-HKG Open Jaw
SYX-PEK-LAX-YUL
Does this mean I can add an extra stop in either ICN or TPE from PVG if I want to because I am doing open jaw to SYX?
You cannot do PVG-TPE-HKG. You would be stopping twice in TPE on the way to HKG and that's not allowed. CA does not fly direct.
MPM5 for YUL-HKG is 10254. You can do:
YUL-YYZ-TPE-PVG STOP
PVG-ICN-HKG Open Jaw
SYX-PEK-LAX-YUL
PVG-ICN-HKG will probably be on OZ metal which incurs YQ. You can time as close to a 24 hour connection, but that's the maximum you can stay in ICN for it to count as a connection.
And it's one stopover, one open jaw only. PVG can be your only stop here.
Oct 16, 2013, 7:54 pm
#1805
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: YYZ
Programs: MR Plat
Posts: 383
CA983 should be the lie-flat seat.
You cannot do PVG-TPE-HKG. You would be stopping twice in TPE on the way to HKG and that's not allowed. CA does not fly direct.
MPM5 for YUL-HKG is 10254. You can do:
YUL-YYZ-TPE-PVG STOP
PVG-ICN-HKG Open Jaw
SYX-PEK-LAX-YUL
PVG-ICN-HKG will probably be on OZ metal which incurs YQ. You can time as close to a 24 hour connection, but that's the maximum you can stay in ICN for it to count as a connection.
And it's one stopover, one open jaw only. PVG can be your only stop here.
You cannot do PVG-TPE-HKG. You would be stopping twice in TPE on the way to HKG and that's not allowed. CA does not fly direct.
MPM5 for YUL-HKG is 10254. You can do:
YUL-YYZ-TPE-PVG STOP
PVG-ICN-HKG Open Jaw
SYX-PEK-LAX-YUL
PVG-ICN-HKG will probably be on OZ metal which incurs YQ. You can time as close to a 24 hour connection, but that's the maximum you can stay in ICN for it to count as a connection.
And it's one stopover, one open jaw only. PVG can be your only stop here.
Because the FAQ mentioned you could do NYC-SIN(STOP)//NRT(STOP)-NYC, but not NYC-MAD(STOP)-SIN(STOP)//NRT(STOP)-NYC since NRT is considered a stop even though it's the origin point for the Open Jaw?
From what you're describing above, he'd be doing (shortened): YUL-PVG(STOP)-HKG(STOP)//SYX(STOP)-YUL
Am I misunderstanding something from the FAQ or has something changed recently? Sorry if it's a stupid question...
Oct 16, 2013, 8:17 pm
#1806
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: YYZ
Posts: 1,666
SYX is not a stop, it's where he's departing on the open jaw. Might be poorly written FAQ as stopping in MAD on the way to SIN and ending the open jaw in NRT without any more intermediate stops to NYC is 100% allowed, subject to MPM.
Oct 16, 2013, 9:24 pm
#1807
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 2,187
Some change in plans...
Would this work?
YYZ-(via TPE on BR)-HKG(STOP)-PEK(STOP)-NRT(STOP)-YYZ
Would they consider HKG as the POT or PEK?
If we're doing a Beijing/Xian tour, is there a way to fit in the Xian-Beijing leg in there with points or does that have to be bought separately? Flight from Beijing to Xian is part of tour costs.
Would this work?
YYZ-(via TPE on BR)-HKG(STOP)-PEK(STOP)-NRT(STOP)-YYZ
Would they consider HKG as the POT or PEK?
If we're doing a Beijing/Xian tour, is there a way to fit in the Xian-Beijing leg in there with points or does that have to be bought separately? Flight from Beijing to Xian is part of tour costs.
Whichever is furthest
Not with your three stops
Last edited by sp4294; Oct 16, 2013 at 9:31 pm
Oct 16, 2013, 9:30 pm
#1808
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 2,187
Thanks you for your suggestion.
I have the exact itinerary planned, is CA983 the lie flat seat you recommend?
For PVG to HKG, I am thinking using EVA to do PVG-TPE-HKG
On Dec 29th and 30th, basically not much choices that I can pick from. The layover in PEK and LAX is a killer
If I take the above suggestion, it looks like this.
YUL-YYZ-TPE-PVG STOP
PVG-TPE-HKG Open Jaw
SYX-PEK-LAX-YUL
Does this mean I can add an extra stop in either ICN or TPE from PVG if I want to because I am doing open jaw to SYX?
I have the exact itinerary planned, is CA983 the lie flat seat you recommend?
For PVG to HKG, I am thinking using EVA to do PVG-TPE-HKG
On Dec 29th and 30th, basically not much choices that I can pick from. The layover in PEK and LAX is a killer
If I take the above suggestion, it looks like this.
YUL-YYZ-TPE-PVG STOP
PVG-TPE-HKG Open Jaw
SYX-PEK-LAX-YUL
Does this mean I can add an extra stop in either ICN or TPE from PVG if I want to because I am doing open jaw to SYX?
Without the OJ, you can add ICN after HKG, or fly through ICN instead of TPE before PVG
Last edited by sp4294; Oct 16, 2013 at 9:35 pm
Oct 16, 2013, 9:41 pm
#1809
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 2,187
I too am looking to get to AKL next year in J which is getting really tough with NZ pulling out so much J availability and everything via HNL it seems. On top of that I'd like to stop in BKK.
On the Errorplan site I can book a R/T via the Pacific both ways for AKL
eg. YYZ-NRT-AKL
AKL-SIN-TPE-YYZ
I would think that's way over MPM (whatever it is for AKL) but the real problem is adding a stop in BKK. Suddenly it's invalid (online anyways).
Does anyone know if something like the following would be valid or have any other route suggestions. Obviously trying not to fly YQ airlines.
YYZ-NRT-AKL (stop or OJ)
AKL (or CHC)-SIN-BKK (stop)
BKK-TPE-YYZ
or
YYZ-ORD-NRT-AKL (to avoid AC)
AKL (or CHC)-SIN-BKK (stop)
BKK-TPE-YYZ
or
YYZ-NRT-AKL
AKL (or CHC)-SIN-BKK (stop)
BKK-IST-YYZ (or any route going via Atlantic)
Thanks for your help!
On the Errorplan site I can book a R/T via the Pacific both ways for AKL
eg. YYZ-NRT-AKL
AKL-SIN-TPE-YYZ
I would think that's way over MPM (whatever it is for AKL) but the real problem is adding a stop in BKK. Suddenly it's invalid (online anyways).
Does anyone know if something like the following would be valid or have any other route suggestions. Obviously trying not to fly YQ airlines.
YYZ-NRT-AKL (stop or OJ)
AKL (or CHC)-SIN-BKK (stop)
BKK-TPE-YYZ
or
YYZ-ORD-NRT-AKL (to avoid AC)
AKL (or CHC)-SIN-BKK (stop)
BKK-TPE-YYZ
or
YYZ-NRT-AKL
AKL (or CHC)-SIN-BKK (stop)
BKK-IST-YYZ (or any route going via Atlantic)
Thanks for your help!
Oct 16, 2013, 10:17 pm
#1810
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: YYZ
Programs: AC-E50K, SPG Gold
Posts: 129
What about:
YYZ-NRT-AKL (stop)
AKL-SIN (stop)
SIN-TPE-YYZ
The website allows those 2 destinations as stops and shows this itinerary but you can only select the first 2 legs before the last one is no longer selectable. Above mpm I imagine. Anyone know if the itinerary is actually valid or not? Very frustrating as there are ZERO ways to get to AKL in J other than via Asia at this point.
YYZ-NRT-AKL (stop)
AKL-SIN (stop)
SIN-TPE-YYZ
The website allows those 2 destinations as stops and shows this itinerary but you can only select the first 2 legs before the last one is no longer selectable. Above mpm I imagine. Anyone know if the itinerary is actually valid or not? Very frustrating as there are ZERO ways to get to AKL in J other than via Asia at this point.
Oct 16, 2013, 10:37 pm
#1811
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: YYZ
Posts: 1,666
What about:
YYZ-NRT-AKL (stop)
AKL-SIN (stop)
SIN-TPE-YYZ
The website allows those 2 destinations as stops and shows this itinerary but you can only select the first 2 legs before the last one is no longer selectable. Above mpm I imagine. Anyone know if the itinerary is actually valid or not? Very frustrating as there are ZERO ways to get to AKL in J other than via Asia at this point.
YYZ-NRT-AKL (stop)
AKL-SIN (stop)
SIN-TPE-YYZ
The website allows those 2 destinations as stops and shows this itinerary but you can only select the first 2 legs before the last one is no longer selectable. Above mpm I imagine. Anyone know if the itinerary is actually valid or not? Very frustrating as there are ZERO ways to get to AKL in J other than via Asia at this point.
TPAC going back through SIN is not allowed unless you follow an SQ published routing (pointless because SQ doesn't release J from SIN-LAX/SFO.) This is because no matter how you structure it afterwards from SIN, it's way over MPM5 (10945)
If you can get direct (and direct only) NRT-YYZ on the return then that would work if you go TPAC.
I'm not sure if anyone has done YYZ-AKL via Europe before, as I don't see an MPM value TATL. YYZ-SYD works TATL and you get a generous MPM of 20,000 to work with.
Oct 17, 2013, 7:37 am
#1812
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Montreal, Canada
Programs: SPG Platium, PC Ambassador & Platium, Aeroplan Elite
Posts: 101
CA983 should be the lie-flat seat.
You cannot do PVG-TPE-HKG. You would be stopping twice in TPE on the way to HKG and that's not allowed. CA does not fly direct.
MPM5 for YUL-HKG is 10254. You can do:
YUL-YYZ-TPE-PVG STOP
PVG-ICN-HKG Open Jaw
SYX-PEK-LAX-YUL
PVG-ICN-HKG will probably be on OZ metal which incurs YQ. You can time as close to a 24 hour connection, but that's the maximum you can stay in ICN for it to count as a connection.
And it's one stopover, one open jaw only. PVG can be your only stop here.
You cannot do PVG-TPE-HKG. You would be stopping twice in TPE on the way to HKG and that's not allowed. CA does not fly direct.
MPM5 for YUL-HKG is 10254. You can do:
YUL-YYZ-TPE-PVG STOP
PVG-ICN-HKG Open Jaw
SYX-PEK-LAX-YUL
PVG-ICN-HKG will probably be on OZ metal which incurs YQ. You can time as close to a 24 hour connection, but that's the maximum you can stay in ICN for it to count as a connection.
And it's one stopover, one open jaw only. PVG can be your only stop here.
PVG to HKG, I think I read somewhere that you are allow to route back through TPE because it is a publish routing?
YUL-ZRH-PVG, YUL-YYZ-TPE-PVG, which route is better in terms of service, hard product?
Also ORD-ICN seems to be the smart Quartium seat as per below, worth to pay the scam charge? My brother works for OZ and got me to try it on my last trip, much better than the AC seat
http://efficientasianman.com/2013/06...artium-routes/
Thanks for all the answers! Learning something new all the time.
Oct 17, 2013, 8:50 am
#1813
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: YYZ
Programs: AC-E50K, SPG Gold
Posts: 129
I wrangled with this back in August.
TPAC going back through SIN is not allowed unless you follow an SQ published routing (pointless because SQ doesn't release J from SIN-LAX/SFO.) This is because no matter how you structure it afterwards from SIN, it's way over MPM5 (10945)
If you can get direct (and direct only) NRT-YYZ on the return then that would work if you go TPAC.
I'm not sure if anyone has done YYZ-AKL via Europe before, as I don't see an MPM value TATL. YYZ-SYD works TATL and you get a generous MPM of 20,000 to work with.
TPAC going back through SIN is not allowed unless you follow an SQ published routing (pointless because SQ doesn't release J from SIN-LAX/SFO.) This is because no matter how you structure it afterwards from SIN, it's way over MPM5 (10945)
If you can get direct (and direct only) NRT-YYZ on the return then that would work if you go TPAC.
I'm not sure if anyone has done YYZ-AKL via Europe before, as I don't see an MPM value TATL. YYZ-SYD works TATL and you get a generous MPM of 20,000 to work with.
Although I'm still wondering if I can make it work TATL since my POT is actually SIN I think. Something like
YYZ-NRT-AKL (stop)
AKL-SIN direct (stop)
SIN-CPH/IST-YYZ
Still not bookable online. I did this kind of MiniRTW last year with SYD but I'm seeing no saver award availability on a TPAC routing on UA LAX/SFO-SYD in J either. Ugh.
Oct 17, 2013, 9:32 am
#1814
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: YYZ
Posts: 1,666
Just from looking at that I'd guess its way over MPM for YYZ-SIN.
What you could try is something like (or the reverse):
YYZ-CPH/IST-SIN-AKL-SYD and call SYD your point of turnaround, with a stop in SIN.
The return from SYD TPAC is more flexible but still severely restricted. I know the following work 100% without extra connections:
SYD-ICN-ORD-YYZ
SYD-PEK-YYZ
You can't do something like SYD-AKL-NRT-YYZ though. So you have to rule out NZ J long haul.
What you could try is something like (or the reverse):
YYZ-CPH/IST-SIN-AKL-SYD and call SYD your point of turnaround, with a stop in SIN.
The return from SYD TPAC is more flexible but still severely restricted. I know the following work 100% without extra connections:
SYD-ICN-ORD-YYZ
SYD-PEK-YYZ
You can't do something like SYD-AKL-NRT-YYZ though. So you have to rule out NZ J long haul.
Oct 17, 2013, 11:23 am
#1815
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: YYZ
Programs: MR Plat
Posts: 383
Thanks! So in terms of actual flights, I've gotten to this... not sure if better alternatives out there?
YYZ-TPE BR J
TPE-HKG BR J (STOP)
HKG-PEK CA Y (STOP...A321 morning flight, only F and no J)
PEK-NRT NH J (STOP...recommend 737 to NRT or 767 to HND? It seems recent flights use 787 so maybe it'll change to 787 closer to date?)
Returning to Toronto would either be:
If Saturday...
NRT-TPE BR J
TPE-YYZ BR J
If Sunday...(which one would be better?)
NRT-ORD NH J
ORD-YYZ AC J
-OR-
NRT-SFO UA J
SFO-YYZ AC J
Thank you so much to everybody for all of the help and clarifications, I think I'm pretty close to what I'd like, and it's pretty exciting! I'd have to wait until 330 days before to check availability on ANA/UA before booking right? I know AE can book 356 before but not all my flights show up there...
YYZ-TPE BR J
TPE-HKG BR J (STOP)
HKG-PEK CA Y (STOP...A321 morning flight, only F and no J)
PEK-NRT NH J (STOP...recommend 737 to NRT or 767 to HND? It seems recent flights use 787 so maybe it'll change to 787 closer to date?)
Returning to Toronto would either be:
If Saturday...
NRT-TPE BR J
TPE-YYZ BR J
If Sunday...(which one would be better?)
NRT-ORD NH J
ORD-YYZ AC J
-OR-
NRT-SFO UA J
SFO-YYZ AC J
Thank you so much to everybody for all of the help and clarifications, I think I'm pretty close to what I'd like, and it's pretty exciting! I'd have to wait until 330 days before to check availability on ANA/UA before booking right? I know AE can book 356 before but not all my flights show up there...