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Shareholder Nov 16, 2000 7:32 pm

Is there a YTO?
 
When I checked in this morning for my LH flight at Berlin TXL, the luggage tags the agent put on my bags bore the designator for FRA (where I was connecting to my AC flight to YYZ) and YTO! I was a bit concerned until I also saw the correct AC flight number in smaller print. But I had never seen YTO used as an airport designator before. Is Toronto in for a change, or what?

Andrew Yiu Nov 16, 2000 7:55 pm

I have seen this before... YTO and YYZ is both considered as Toronto. If you go to ITN and type in YTO instead of YYZ, they'll recognize it as Toronto.

back seat Nov 16, 2000 7:56 pm

Hmmm .. . You learn something new everyday! YTO also means Pearson!! I didn't know this

http://www.international-airports.com/city/yto/

Fly Boy Nov 16, 2000 8:31 pm

That is partly correct, but YTO does not mean Pearson. It means Toronto (literally). Same as LON represents London and NYC represents New York, but in both cases those codes represent no specific airport. YYZ is Pearson, and YTZ is the Island Airport (although I could have sworn this used to by YTI). Some carriers based in other countries use the more basic city codes as they only fly into one airport anyway, and it reduces confusion with baggage handlers when your luggage passes through countries where the code YYZ would seem to have no correlation to the name Toronto Canada. And if you happen to be a pilot, Pearson is CYYZ http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

AlmostThere Nov 16, 2000 8:42 pm

YTO is a desigator that includes both YTZ(The Island Airport) and YYZ. This is used when you want to see fares to both destinations. Similiarly I think LON(will bring in LHR, LGW, etc)
When YTO is used you will also, at least in Sabre, see 2R(Which is VIA rail listed) at certain times.

CPYVR Nov 16, 2000 9:21 pm

When a city has more than one airport, not only the airports have designators, but the city as well. Two more that you can add to your list are YEA (Edmonton) with YEG and YXD. Then there is YMQ (Montreal) with YUL and YMX.

Why your bags would have been tagged YTO is a mystery. If flying into Pearson, they definitely should show YYZ.

BTW, a lot of international cities also have a city designator as well as an airport. You can include PAR (Paris), TYO (Tokyo) and MOW (Moscow).

FewMiles Nov 16, 2000 9:59 pm

Yeah, I've had my bags tagged YEA once. Can't remember what trip it was though. I thought they might have changed YEG to YEA or something, but it appeared to have been a one time occurance only.

FewMiles..

Shareholder Nov 17, 2000 6:23 am

Thanks all, that's pretty much what I assumed, knowing other cities with multi-airports do have a generic city code. Having originated from BER (TXL) maybe it was fitting they used YTO. Interestingly, in watching most of all the bags come down the carousel -- my two bags were tagged with those red STAR priority tags, but one actually arrived with only a German security inspection tag and no airport designator label (removed, came off?) and the other was about the last off the flight with its label and red tag intact -- mine was the only one not marked YYZ.

airbus320 Nov 17, 2000 9:23 am

I once had my luggage tagged YTO out of Venice on LH to FRA and YYZ. I queried the code in VCE and they assured me it would get there. I always check the codes as I have twice pointed out errors on routing. Guess what? It did get there on the same flight. It is a valid routing indicator.

YYZAC Nov 17, 2000 9:53 am

We see that designator often out of Europe and Asia, tisk tisk some people just didn't study thier designators. Do not worry they will reach YYZ and the final destination.

Hope this helps YYZAC


AC*SE Nov 17, 2000 10:36 am

YTO also includes Buttonville (gee, that's important!).

But yes, the bags will get there. When was the last time a flight from FRA landed at the island!!!

(BTW YEA is the generic for Edmonton, which includes both YEG and YXM--Edm Muni.)

AlmostThere Nov 17, 2000 11:26 am

A 747 landing at the Island or Buttonville would be an interesting site to see, I must admit.
Though the primary utility is for fares/schedules NYC - LON will give you more options than say JFK - LHR.
As for the Island Airport
You can book a YTZ - YWG schedule like this
YTZ - YUL
YUL - YYZ
YYZ - YWG
The flight time is 6h vs 2h for a direct YYZ-YWG flight insane perhaps but it can be done. This avoid taking the long ferry ride to the Island(NB the ferry ride to the airport is touted as the shortest in the world c.2 min)


AC*SE Nov 17, 2000 12:16 pm

I think (don't quote me) that for a legal fare construction, you can't use YYZ on the YULYWG sector. Because YYZ and YTZ are "co-terminals" for fare construction purposes, if you return to the point of origin within the ticket, the fare might get split.

(That being said, there are somedays when I am sure that the fastest way from downtown to Pearson would probably be YTZ-YOW-YYZ!)

[This message has been edited by AC*SE (edited 11-17-2000).]

ALW Nov 17, 2000 8:11 pm

Shareholder,

BER-YTO sounds more like a Mexican Hat Dance itinerary!

andrew


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