South Africa: ACSA to enforce hand luggage regulations!
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South Africa: ACSA to enforce hand luggage regulations!
Joy.
From
http://umhambi.blogspot.com/2015/01/...gulations.html
South Africa: ACSA to enforce hand luggage regulations!
Airports Company South Africa (ACSA) will roll out a campaign from 02 Feb 2015 at all of its nine airports in South Africa to enforce hand luggage regulations. According to ACSA, the campaign will inform and educate passengers about the prescribed restrictions and the impact on travellers. The enforcement of this programme will be led by airlines operating at ACSA airports and supported by the airport authority.
The current allowance is:
One (1) bag plus one slimline laptop bag per economy class passenger
Two (2) bags plus slimline laptop bag per business/first class passenger
No bag should exceed these dimensions: 56cm + 36cm + 23cm (total dimensions of 115cm)
Weight limit per bag: 7kg
Passengers who exceed the hand baggage limits will be subject to the specific airlines excess baggage rules
Note: The reference to a slimline laptop bag above refers to the bag size and thickness specifically designed to carry a laptop and charger, and does not include bags capable of carrying other items such as documents and clothes.
From
http://umhambi.blogspot.com/2015/01/...gulations.html
South Africa: ACSA to enforce hand luggage regulations!
Airports Company South Africa (ACSA) will roll out a campaign from 02 Feb 2015 at all of its nine airports in South Africa to enforce hand luggage regulations. According to ACSA, the campaign will inform and educate passengers about the prescribed restrictions and the impact on travellers. The enforcement of this programme will be led by airlines operating at ACSA airports and supported by the airport authority.
The current allowance is:
One (1) bag plus one slimline laptop bag per economy class passenger
Two (2) bags plus slimline laptop bag per business/first class passenger
No bag should exceed these dimensions: 56cm + 36cm + 23cm (total dimensions of 115cm)
Weight limit per bag: 7kg
Passengers who exceed the hand baggage limits will be subject to the specific airlines excess baggage rules
Note: The reference to a slimline laptop bag above refers to the bag size and thickness specifically designed to carry a laptop and charger, and does not include bags capable of carrying other items such as documents and clothes.
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Joy.
From
http://umhambi.blogspot.com/2015/01/...gulations.html
... Passengers who exceed the hand baggage limits will be subject to the specific airline’s excess baggage rules ...
From
http://umhambi.blogspot.com/2015/01/...gulations.html
... Passengers who exceed the hand baggage limits will be subject to the specific airline’s excess baggage rules ...
This seems to be directed at airlines with low limits such as SA and VS.
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Indeed. Though I'd call it "another" recipe for "another" disaster.
They tried this in the US at various points in time and places - TSA or it's predecessors installed various guides on XRay machines meant to restrict the size and shape of hand carried baggage. Problem was if there was more than one airline serviced by the checkpoint, who's rules / which airline's restrictions won out and/or controlled. And, without opening the whole "TSA _____" can o' worms, why do you have security people enforcing rules completely unrelated to security. As a result, these things gradually fell by the wayside and now, you see more and more sizers at the gate entrance.
It's bad enough in SA with all the various full-employment project people working (I'm looking at you, folks with the scale at the beginning of the check in queue) that now they add this new enforcement regime. Are the going to memorize every airlines/alliance's various tiers and allowances. Doubt it.
They tried this in the US at various points in time and places - TSA or it's predecessors installed various guides on XRay machines meant to restrict the size and shape of hand carried baggage. Problem was if there was more than one airline serviced by the checkpoint, who's rules / which airline's restrictions won out and/or controlled. And, without opening the whole "TSA _____" can o' worms, why do you have security people enforcing rules completely unrelated to security. As a result, these things gradually fell by the wayside and now, you see more and more sizers at the gate entrance.
It's bad enough in SA with all the various full-employment project people working (I'm looking at you, folks with the scale at the beginning of the check in queue) that now they add this new enforcement regime. Are the going to memorize every airlines/alliance's various tiers and allowances. Doubt it.
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The idea is good one, doing it correct will be a challenge. People have been allowed the "free for all" way too long and if airlines can manage this it MIGHT - big MIGHT lead to something good. A while ago on BA/Comair I had the drama of a guy allowed to bring a massive catering bag of those orange chips as carry on!!!! I decided to ask if he will do the catering for the flight, neither him nor my wife thought it was funny!!!!
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Having ACSA appoint itself enforcer cannot possibly lead to anything good. If they have resources to spare, they should consider employing them to fight checked luggage theft, rid the terminals of touts, and other useful things.
Johan
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Given the inconsistency I've seen at the gate so many times. I don't think the airline staff (or their contract staff) could ever do it right. Frankly, it's the flight crews that seem to have the best handle on things, IMHO.
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Cheers
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I see signs have appeared all over the ORT check-in area admonishing pax to abide by the dimension restrictions. Didn't read them too carefully though. There are also huge decals on the floor conveying the same message.
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I'll find out shortly.
I'll be on BA CPT-LHR, for which BA's published allowance is one cabin bag max 23 kg plus one personal bag with no stated maximum weight.
http://www.britishairways.com/en-gb/...age-allowances
The same page shows the Comair limit of 7kg plus 1 small handbag or slimline
laptop bag.
I predict pandemonium, especially for pax transferring from BA mainline to Comair at JNB.
I'll be on BA CPT-LHR, for which BA's published allowance is one cabin bag max 23 kg plus one personal bag with no stated maximum weight.
http://www.britishairways.com/en-gb/...age-allowances
The same page shows the Comair limit of 7kg plus 1 small handbag or slimline
laptop bag.
I predict pandemonium, especially for pax transferring from BA mainline to Comair at JNB.
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I have always found each airline at JNB and CPT do a fairly good job at enforcing their rules. CPT a lot more vigorous than JNB, but still adhering to the rules.
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They had a go at this during the World Cup, remember. Predictably it led to all the problems we are expecting this time round. I reported some of my experiences in this post.
I was under the impression that if you are flying LHR/JNB/CPT on BA/MN you still have to abide by the Comair rules for the domestic leg? I'm pretty sure my booking has always said that. (Which surprised me because I used to think that on a single ticket the rules of the longest sector applied to all sectors.)
I'll find out shortly.
I'll be on BA CPT-LHR, for which BA's published allowance is one cabin bag max 23 kg plus one personal bag with no stated maximum weight.
http://www.britishairways.com/en-gb/...age-allowances
The same page shows the Comair limit of 7kg plus 1 small handbag or slimline
laptop bag.
I predict pandemonium, especially for pax transferring from BA mainline to Comair at JNB.
I'll be on BA CPT-LHR, for which BA's published allowance is one cabin bag max 23 kg plus one personal bag with no stated maximum weight.
http://www.britishairways.com/en-gb/...age-allowances
The same page shows the Comair limit of 7kg plus 1 small handbag or slimline
laptop bag.
I predict pandemonium, especially for pax transferring from BA mainline to Comair at JNB.
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This is in the latest SA Voyager newsletter:
I had no idea that hand luggage regulations were determined by the SACAA! Is this still a hangover from WC2010 when all sorts of laws were passed to ensure that things would work smoothly for the duration of the tournament?
It goes on to say:
Surely every airline will now ask for the same exemption and the SACAA would have to grant it? Wouldn't they all want the same "exemption" for their pax?
Then there's the detail:
Not sure if this part is SA specific or part of the SACAA rules. "Referred back to check-in counters" makes it sound like a check before security whereas "weighing and checking prior to boarding" sounds like it's at the embarkation. Will they have both - or at least the option of both?
Anyway, time to get me a (very capacious) man bag. When flying J with that plus 2x 7kg plus a laptop bag I should be able to cope with almost all contingencies.
SAA would like to advise our valued customers that hand luggage regulations as determined by the South African Civil Aviation Authority (SACAA) and supported by the airport authority in Johannesburg will be enforced from 2 February 2015.
It goes on to say:
Although other airline customers may take only 7kg on board as hand luggage, SAA has an exemption from SACAA. Allowing our customers up to 8kg.
However, the number of pieces and sizes must be adhered to. No bag should exceed 56cm x 36cm x 23cm (total dimensions of 115cm) or weigh more than 8kg per bag.
However, the number of pieces and sizes must be adhered to. No bag should exceed 56cm x 36cm x 23cm (total dimensions of 115cm) or weigh more than 8kg per bag.
Then there's the detail:
Number of bags allowed are as follows:
Economy-class customers are allowed one bag plus one slimline laptop bag.
Business-class customers are allowed two bags plus one slimline laptop bag.
Slimline laptop bags must be of a size and thickness specifically designed to carry a laptop and charger. Handbags are considered part of a customer's wardrobe and not as hand baggage.
Baggage capable of carrying other items such as documents and clothes can be considered as cabin baggage if within the allowance.
Kindly ensure that your hand luggage is as per the above. If hand luggage does not comply, you will be referred back to the check-in counters to check the baggage in as hold baggage. Where applicable, SAA excess baggage fees will be charged.
We expect that during the initial implementation period, travellers might experience some delays in the check-in and security processes at all airports due to congestion. It is advisable that travellers arrive in good time for their flights as the first few weeks may see the process extended due to every piece of baggage (checked and carry-on) requiring weighing and checking prior to boarding.
Economy-class customers are allowed one bag plus one slimline laptop bag.
Business-class customers are allowed two bags plus one slimline laptop bag.
Slimline laptop bags must be of a size and thickness specifically designed to carry a laptop and charger. Handbags are considered part of a customer's wardrobe and not as hand baggage.
Baggage capable of carrying other items such as documents and clothes can be considered as cabin baggage if within the allowance.
Kindly ensure that your hand luggage is as per the above. If hand luggage does not comply, you will be referred back to the check-in counters to check the baggage in as hold baggage. Where applicable, SAA excess baggage fees will be charged.
We expect that during the initial implementation period, travellers might experience some delays in the check-in and security processes at all airports due to congestion. It is advisable that travellers arrive in good time for their flights as the first few weeks may see the process extended due to every piece of baggage (checked and carry-on) requiring weighing and checking prior to boarding.
Anyway, time to get me a (very capacious) man bag. When flying J with that plus 2x 7kg plus a laptop bag I should be able to cope with almost all contingencies.