United and Aer Lingus business award flight lounge access
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United and Aer Lingus business award flight lounge access
Booked an award flight for my mom with United, from SFO to Dublin. First flight is from SFO to SEA (UA277) in United first class. Second flight from SEA to DUB (EI142) in Aer Lingus business class.
At SFO the United club would not allow her into the lounge. I spoke to the 1K desk and they said they should have access. I called my mom who put me onto to the person at the lounge who just flat out refused to even discuss it.
I am aware that a domestic first class ticket doesn't give access, but surely the international business class ticket booked on the same reservation should? I called the 1K line again and the person was very unhelpful. She told me that because the second flight is on Aer Lingus she would not be entitled to lounge access at the united club. I tried to argue that the ticket was booked on United, and the Aer Lingus website, if I understand it correctly, states that she should have access.
The response I received was, "nothing I can do, but I will get someone to call you back later in the day".
Are United wrong here? It was my moms first time flying business class, and it was a bad start to the day. Hopefully when she lands in Seattle she will have a better experience.
At SFO the United club would not allow her into the lounge. I spoke to the 1K desk and they said they should have access. I called my mom who put me onto to the person at the lounge who just flat out refused to even discuss it.
I am aware that a domestic first class ticket doesn't give access, but surely the international business class ticket booked on the same reservation should? I called the 1K line again and the person was very unhelpful. She told me that because the second flight is on Aer Lingus she would not be entitled to lounge access at the united club. I tried to argue that the ticket was booked on United, and the Aer Lingus website, if I understand it correctly, states that she should have access.
United Airlines Codeshare Guests
If you’re an Aer Lingus business class guest traveling to or from North America and beyond via Chicago, we’ve got good news for you! Guests on Aer Lingus codeshare flights operated by our partner, United Airlines, can enjoy access to United Airlines airport lounges.
Business class guests connecting to or from United Airlines flights now have access to United Club lounges at airports including Chicago, Seattle, Los Angeles, San Francisco and Minneapolis. To access the United Airlines lounge simply present your Aer Lingus Business Class boarding pass and your United Airlines boarding pass at the lounge
The response I received was, "nothing I can do, but I will get someone to call you back later in the day".
Are United wrong here? It was my moms first time flying business class, and it was a bad start to the day. Hopefully when she lands in Seattle she will have a better experience.
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Did they scan the boarding pass at the lounge desk? It should have flashed green and granted access and there would have been no question. Or did they simply see the EI leg and were flat out refusing to even scan the BP? If it was ticketed on UA stock there should have been no issues.
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The agents are correct.
When flying EI operated flights you are not eligible for UA UC or Polaris lounges, the flight is not operated by a *A carrier
Notice this only applies to UA operated flights, not EI operated flights
Ticket stock makes no difference, it is the flight operator that matters
When flying EI operated flights you are not eligible for UA UC or Polaris lounges, the flight is not operated by a *A carrier
....United Airlines Codeshare Guests
- If you’re an Aer Lingus business class guest traveling to or from North America and beyond via Chicago, we’ve got good news for you! Guests on Aer Lingus codeshare flights operated by our partner, United Airlines, can enjoy access to United Airlines airport lounges
Ticket stock makes no difference, it is the flight operator that matters
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MileagePlus award flights are never codeshares, so that section doesn't apply.
Any lounge access at SEA will be determined by what agreements EI has in place with lounge operators there.
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Access at SFO, only if SEA-DUB was UA-operated, which it is obviously not. This is clearly stated in access rules available online. Access at SEA if in Business and departing airline is Star Alliance member, otherwise per AI's lounge arrangements locally. Chicago deal is special. If your mom was going SFO-ORD-DUB, she would have gotten in at SFO.
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The agents are correct.
When flying EI operated flights you are not eligible for UA UC or Polaris lounges, the flight is not operated by a *A carrier
Notice this only applies to UA operated flights, not EI operated flights
Ticket stock makes no difference, it is the flight operator that matters
When flying EI operated flights you are not eligible for UA UC or Polaris lounges, the flight is not operated by a *A carrier
Notice this only applies to UA operated flights, not EI operated flights
Ticket stock makes no difference, it is the flight operator that matters
I read those two paragraphs as being independent. The codeshare comment refers to flights though Chicago. The second paragraph refers to other business class passengers.
- Business class guests connecting to or from United Airlines flights now have access to United Club lounges at airports including Chicago, Seattle, Los Angeles, San Francisco and Minneapolis. To access the United Airlines lounge simply present your Aer Lingus Business Class boarding pass and your United Airlines boarding pass at the lounge
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Did they scan the boarding pass at the lounge desk? It should have flashed green and granted access and there would have been no question. Or did they simply see the EI leg and were flat out refusing to even scan the BP? If it was ticketed on UA stock there should have been no issues.
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#10
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The lounge access page on aerlingus.com only shows that text if you open the heading called "United Airlines Codeshare Guests."
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As this query is specific to EI operated flights and UA makes no mention of EI flight access to United Clubs on united.com, this is probably best addressed by regular EI flyers.
There does seem to be some older discussion in The United Airlines Master Thread: Codeshares, Lounge Access etc.
So will move this thread to the EI forum where the regulars there can weight in.
WineCountryUA
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There does seem to be some older discussion in The United Airlines Master Thread: Codeshares, Lounge Access etc.
So will move this thread to the EI forum where the regulars there can weight in.
WineCountryUA
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* Lounge access in the USA is very, very complicated and not for the faint of heart. To attempt to summarize the complex rules they are:
Generally speaking when discussing lounge access at the end of the day what matters is the operating carriers (not marketing carriers) of the ticket - in your case United and Aer Lingus. You would want to refer to the Aer Lingus lounge website which lists the following options:
Hope that provides some guidance.
Safe Travels,
James
- Are you United Gold or above member?
- Yes : Does your itinerary entirely consist of domestic segments with UA?
- Yes : Check to see if there's a *Gold lounge not operated by UA per this spreadsheet (i.e. *A lounge @ LAX)
- No (UA and Other * partners) : Access to UC granted
- No : Are you a member of a *Gold member of another FFP (i.e. Aeroplan):
- Yes : Access to United Clubs and all *Gold lounges granted
- No: Are you travelling in BF on a Premium Service route (i.e. EWR -> SFO)?
- Yes : Access to UC granted
- No : Is there an international segment in J with a UA or a *A partner?
- Yes : Does the segment cross continents (i.e. USA to Europe)?
- Yes : Is that segment operated by UA?
- Yes : Access to Polaris Lounge on arrival, departure and connecting airports
- No : Access to Polaris Lounge on departure airport of your trans-continental journey
- No : Access to United Club
- Yes : Is that segment operated by UA?
- No : No access provided
- Yes : Does the segment cross continents (i.e. USA to Europe)?
- Yes : Does your itinerary entirely consist of domestic segments with UA?
Generally speaking when discussing lounge access at the end of the day what matters is the operating carriers (not marketing carriers) of the ticket - in your case United and Aer Lingus. You would want to refer to the Aer Lingus lounge website which lists the following options:
- SFO : Any United Club in T3
- SEA : The Club at SEA (beside gate A11)
Hope that provides some guidance.
Safe Travels,
James
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Yeah you gotta go by the EI lounge agreement in this case, as pointed out above is The Club lounge. I can understand the confusion though, code shares with non alliance partners are not straight forward. At least you could get J reward flight availability, more than can be said about EI customers majority of the time.
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There's also an arrivals lounge OP's travellers can avail themselves to upon arrival at in DUB (i.e. the Revivals beside baggage belt 6 at DUB) which appears to offer food, shirt/suit pressing/steaming and shower services.
-James
-James
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* Lounge access in the USA is very, very complicated and not for the faint of heart. To attempt to summarize the complex rules they are:
Generally speaking when discussing lounge access at the end of the day what matters is the operating carriers (not marketing carriers) of the ticket - in your case United and Aer Lingus. You would want to refer to the Aer Lingus lounge website which lists the following options:
Hope that provides some guidance.
Safe Travels,
James
- Are you United Gold or above member?
- Yes : Does your itinerary entirely consist of domestic segments with UA?
- Yes : Check to see if there's a *Gold lounge not operated by UA per this spreadsheet (i.e. *A lounge @ LAX)
- No (UA and Other * partners) : Access to UC granted
- No : Are you a member of a *Gold member of another FFP (i.e. Aeroplan):
- Yes : Access to United Clubs and all *Gold lounges granted
- No: Are you travelling in BF on a Premium Service route (i.e. EWR -> SFO)?
- Yes : Access to UC granted
- No : Is there an international segment in J with a UA or a *A partner?
- Yes : Does the segment cross continents (i.e. USA to Europe)?
- Yes : Is that segment operated by UA?
- Yes : Access to Polaris Lounge on arrival, departure and connecting airports
- No : Access to Polaris Lounge on departure airport of your trans-continental journey
- No : Access to United Club
- Yes : Is that segment operated by UA?
- No : No access provided
- Yes : Does the segment cross continents (i.e. USA to Europe)?
- Yes : Does your itinerary entirely consist of domestic segments with UA?
Generally speaking when discussing lounge access at the end of the day what matters is the operating carriers (not marketing carriers) of the ticket - in your case United and Aer Lingus. You would want to refer to the Aer Lingus lounge website which lists the following options:
- SFO : Any United Club in T3
- SEA : The Club at SEA (beside gate A11)
Hope that provides some guidance.
Safe Travels,
James
It definitely cleared things up a lot. It's still insanely confusing, but really appreciate the clarity you brought.