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Old Dec 7, 18, 5:58 am
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Initial transatlantic A321LR routes

Interesting new routes fro A321LR https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...21lr-r-454226/
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Old Dec 7, 18, 8:34 am
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Originally Posted by Royalscot View Post
Interesting alright, figured they would go on some of the newer routes and those which might not have huge numbers on regular services. Sounds like there might be some opportunity to try out the planes and business seats on some european routes when they are entering service also. Will look out for those.
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Expect to see the aircraft on LHR/AMS/FRA and even a few runs down to the Canaries due to their duration and is an ideal distance to allow crew to familiarise themselves with the type.
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Old May 20, 19, 4:31 am
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Further delays to A321LR introduction it seems. Hartford route planned from mid August with A321LR but Philly seemingly not running it anymore as previously scheduled per article https://onemileatatime.com/aer-lingus-a321lr-routes/
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Old May 20, 19, 5:07 am
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Wonder when delivery is scheduled and if we might see some training runs before transatlantic launch?

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Old May 21, 19, 5:49 am
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Originally Posted by Dambus View Post
Wonder when delivery is scheduled and if we might see some training runs before transatlantic launch?

As the A321LR is part of the Airbus A320 family, and has the same typerating as all the members of that family (A318/319/320/321 ), no training will be required for the A321LR for Aer Lingus's A320 and A321 rated pilots.

The best you could maybe hope for are familiarisation flights, so they may schedule the new planes onto the shorthaul routes that will be receiving these planes anyway (LHR, CDG, FRA, AMS, etc)
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Old May 21, 19, 6:20 am
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The biggest training issue is down to NAT operations, EI crews are all good with oceanic as they fly the oceanic route to avoid France to Spain and drop in on Iceland on charters from time to time, they also use CPDLC. So you will need training and hands on with NAT procedures.

ETOPS could be a factor as well, EI have extensive experience in this though

The A321 has new engines and also the winglets so it handles a little differently

I would guess a few flights will take place but that could just be a few trips out to Shannon for touch and go. I would put money on CDG if only for the reason the very first commercial flight of the A321 for EI was to CDG, the Minister for Transport forgot her passport which led to some fun.
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Old May 21, 19, 3:57 pm
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SNN-BOS going A321LR in Nov https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...craft-changes/
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Old May 22, 19, 3:26 am
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So the BOS flight is scheduled to land at SNN at 06:30 and the next flight back to BOS departs at 12:00.

I wonder if that allows sufficient scope for the EI380/381 rotation to Heathrow to be operated by an A321LR?

Currently, scheduled as follows:

But it seems that's way too tight a turnaround. Particularly to pre-clear any pax originating in LHR who are continuing on to BOS on the same plane....
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By the way, the Aer Lingus booking tool still displays the ASL logo for these flights.

But the A321LRs are owned by EI, right? And not leased/operated by ASL or anyone else?
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Originally Posted by irishguy28 View Post
By the way, the Aer Lingus booking tool still displays the ASL logo for these flights.

But the A321LRs are owned by EI, right? And not leased/operated by ASL or anyone else?
They are being leased from Air Lease Corporation it seems. https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/i...ft-aer-lingus/
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The booking tool gets confused, i've flown ASL to Berlin, Dusseldorf and whole pile of places...



A321LR is EI operated, staff, insured and maintained, the aircraft is a dry lease as is half the fleet.

No chance of fitting in the LHR rotation, but when JFK is also running it could be a game of the earliest arrival goes to LHR and takes the later departure of the two out of SNN, it needs at least 90 minutes on the ground to clean and get it cleared for CBP.

JFK gets in 0600 so can take the 0730 to LHR
The 1200 to BOS sits on the ground in BOS for several hours so depart at 1300 would work out perfectly and get LHR connection into the JFK and BOS as well as the inbound from JFK and BOS

The question then becomes is there a reason for arrival BOS so early, is there a connections issue at BOS? Its possible

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It's an interesting conundrum on using an LR for the EI380/381 rotation. Generally speaking the frame that operates SNN-LHR-SNN operates only the current 3 rotations per day (weekends have some modifications). It would make sense to drive higher utilisation of the LR, but what would they do with the other aircraft? As a frequent traveller from SNN, I'd love if there were options other than LHR for the UK or connections, but realistically I'm not sure there's enough traffic for an A320. A bucket-and-spade run would be probably too risky to maintain the LHR schedule.
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You're right Mark, where would the A320 go? One option might be a split between MAN and BHX at 3/4 weekly each? The subsequent SNN-LHR is at 12:25, so they could get the aircraft to AGP or FAO and back in time to go to LHR if they scheduled an 0600 departure. Obviously this would work only in the summer and any problems in the Med would put the LHR schedule up in smoke for the day. EI might also have problems adjusting arrivals in BOS or JFK due to slot availability.

This kind of operation would work pretty well from Cork. The LR would be suitable for LHR, AMS or CDG without too much danger to the rest of the schedule, but is unlikely for now. I imagine all but two of the LR fleet will remain at Dublin, flying DUB-BOS and JFK 8 times a day!
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Old May 23, 19, 12:18 pm
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This kind of operation would work pretty well from Cork. The LR would be suitable for LHR, AMS or CDG without too much danger to the rest of the schedule, but is unlikely for now. I imagine all but two of the LR fleet will remain at Dublin, flying DUB-BOS and JFK 8 times a day!
They'd have to announce services from ORK to the USA first! And I wish they would!!!
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