rum

I have no knowledge of this, but if true I agree it's particularly childish.

KLouis

Actually, M+B was introduced long before A3 joined *A.

RedChili

Swiss, Austrian, Lot and Brussels also had their own programs before they joined M&M.

irishguy28

And they only adopted M&M because Lufthansa bought them.

So I really doubt the report above that Aegean and Turkish were "offered" to adopt M+M.

Lufthansa threw its toys out of the pram because TK kept adding services to German airports (even tiny places like Friedrichshafen) and Lufthansa saw this as siphoning off "their" customers: https://www.eturbonews.com/78840/luf...liance-friends

So they cut their earning rates for TK to try and prevent "their" customers from flying with TK.

(Why anyone would want to stick with M+M is beyond me, though. Awful programme!)

Dover2Golf

When did Lufthansa buy LOT? I must have missed it.

fransknorge

Also when did it bought Adria and Croatia Airlines ?

irishguy28

They didn't - I should have taken them out of the quote, but I thought the current audience would "read with a mind willing to understand" ;-)

As that's the first mention of those airlines, I am not sure why you think anyone said Lufthansa bought those particular airlines

fransknorge

lhrpete

LH certainly did at one time exert sigificant pressure on *A European Airlines to join Miles & More, LOT, Croatia and Adria caved in and did so. SAS already had Eurobonus well established as they were founder members of *A but A3 and TK were new kids on the block at the time. When A3 & TK did not do as they were told, booking class P was introduced to make travel on LH unattractive to A3 & TK members and to reduce earnings on many fares for their own members. P doesn't earn greatly on the LH group either and many M&M members refer to it as Punishment Class.

KLouis

I really can't see the logic of what you describe:

- LH wants some airlines to join M&M -fine.
- They introduce the P fare class because two of them don't want to. Hold it! TK has lots of long hauls while A3 has none. Also, potential customers from both of these airlines will now no longer fly LH, but they will fly, instead, either TK or other *A partners (or, even ST and World1 members).
- Now, how does this "punish" TK and A3? And why would the new P class lead the two airlines to overall reduce earnings for their own members?

I really have no idea why LH introduced the P class, especially since it's only LH flights that don't earn, not the ones on the remaining airlines (i.e. Swiss and Austrian; LOT has no P) that use M&M as their FF program. But I'm not satisfied by your explanations.

lhrpete

LH was protecting M&M and attempting to prevent mass defections to M&B and M&S by their core members based in northern Europe when A3 & TK would not use M&M. M&M is worth a lot of money to LH. They also disincentivised travel on TK by cutting tier miles to 25% of those flown to encourage people to fly LH group if they wanted to retain status.

LH are very protective of their home market hence the relationshop with TK, LH sponsored their entry to *A but LH didn't bargain for TK utilising their access to European open skies and their far better products in both business and economy to enter the German home market. LH have successfully objected to the Gulf carriers getting the level of access TK have albeit using A320 series rather than wide bodies.

TK and A3 were meant to simply feed LH services rather than have ideas of their own but things have worked out differently. At the present time the LH/LO relationship is souring as LO develop ideas of having their own long haul services. OU are simply a feeder of LH outside of their domestic network and a few European trunk routes, the main OU service operated several times a day is ZAG-FRA. Adria are lined up in the same way.

M&M for many A3 pax would be scheme that many would never gain any status in. In reality to achieve *G in A3 for the first time it's no easier than *G in Eurobonus although requalification is easier if you fly A3 but unlike M&M there is an annual requalification requirement. I don't understand TK status but I think it's marginally easier to attain. A3 and for that matter TK prefer to look after their own loyal passengers which after all is the point of a frequent flyer scheme rather than lining the pockets of LH.

KLouis

Do the actual numbers of LH passengers flying P support this scenario?

lhrpete

Just look at their reactions to the introduction of P. I was a SEN at the time and remember it well.

fransknorge

ung1

And as someone who bought my first (and probably last) ever "J" fare a few weeks ago, only to miss the connection I paid $$$ for by 5 minutes, there is really no reason to buy a more expensive fare unless you don't have a choice.