A3 603/29 May LHR-ATH Delay

Old May 29, 18, 4:37 pm
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A3 603/29 May LHR-ATH Delay

A3 603/29 May Delay (LHR-ATH)

No reason for delay on Expert Flyer. Can anyone advise the reason for the delay as connection missed and overnight stay required for 30 May flight. Want to know if EC261 applies. Tks.
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Old May 29, 18, 11:43 pm
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Originally Posted by zebranz View Post
A3 603/29 May Delay (LHR-ATH)

No reason for delay on Expert Flyer. Can anyone advise the reason for the delay as connection missed and overnight stay required for 30 May flight. Want to know if EC261 applies. Tks.
I don't know about your flight, but my friend was on LHR-ATH the day before and they took an 80 minute delay on takeoff due to the French ATC strike, so maybe that is still ongoing. In his case there was no EC261 compensation of course but, because he had a through ticket, he was rerouted and given a hotel and meals.

Your flight was 1hr42 late into ATH so, unless you had a connecting flight on the same ticket you are not going to get any assistance, whatever the reason for the delay. The EC261 compensation only kicks in if you are delayed more than 3hrs on a flight of that length. If you had a connection then it all depends on the reason for the delay. A3 are usually pretty good at giving out such information. The inbound flight was on time into LHR. Did nobody mention the reason at all?
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Old May 29, 18, 11:47 pm
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Missed the connection ATH-HER and overnight stay - therefore my delay exceeds time period (original to destination LHR-HER). Mixed reasons- rain, congestion on air route, etc but Expert Flyer, FlightRadar24, Flightstats, and Flightaware show no abnormal weather related reason and A3 602 (incoming aircraft) arrived on time.
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Old May 29, 18, 11:56 pm
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Originally Posted by zebranz View Post
therefore my delay exceeds time period (original to destination LHR-HER).
Yeah of course. Why didn't they give you a reason when they were re-booking you and arranging the hotel? That would have been the time to ask as they can (or used to) give you the compensation there and then, in cash, at ATH. It sounds to me like they know they're off the hook. I was just checking online news and it seems the French ATC strike was still ongoing until this morning. That would be my best guess at the reason. "Congestion on air route" does point in that direction.
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Old May 30, 18, 12:00 am
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I was flying out of LHR on Sunday and we had a delay because of a storm around STN, that airport was closed and all incoming traffic was on hold around London so all outbounds from LHR were delayed by an avrg of 45min because of traffic enroute... your delay was way too long, so I doubt it was for a similar reason. maybe some tech issue? A3 should tell you
i didnt hear about any strikes planned for yesterday
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Old May 30, 18, 6:23 am
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Thanks, just want to be sure before spending time- will ask A3, there is a contact form on their web site.
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There were a significant amount of thunderstorms around the London area around 1.30pm yesterday, affecting anything that had to go through that airspace - as a result of which there were many ATC restrictions. As time moved on, those storms moved east and AMS was very badly affected.

The incoming flight probably just managed to avoid these, or at least was en-route when they started and therefore had some priority in terms of getting in to land. There was apparently an Alitalia plane that was having a fair bit of fun as low as 2,000 feet for 30 minutes, so conditions were certainly not straightforward.

Whilst your flight was not scheduled until 1635, there could still have been knock-on ATC effects from earlier (there's a thread in the BA forum here which explains some of the difficulties which were still ongoing well beyond that time - the later posts cover 29th May) plus you would have been flying towards an area which was still experiencing quite severe problems. I would think it quite possible that French/Belgian airspace couldn't accommodate you because of everything else having to divert round the storm at AMS, meaning you couldn't get off the ground at LHR.

I would think you'd struggle to make a case for EC261 compensation here, but obviously Duty of Care still applies and A3 will have to cover your hotel, transport from and to the airport and meals.

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Originally Posted by zebranz View Post
. Mixed reasons- rain, congestion on air route, etc but Expert Flyer, FlightRadar24, Flightstats, and Flightaware show no abnormal weather related reason and A3 602 (incoming aircraft) arrived on time.
Really?

The London area was one of many in Europe subject to air-traffic control restrictions last night due to severe thunderstorm activity.

Independent: UK weather latest: Thousands of air passengers disrupted as thunderstorms cause travel chaos

I popped your flight details into the flight checker at euclaim.co.uk (granted, I don't know the exact flight numbers for your ATH-HER flights, but that is of no consequence), and they also - as an independent observer who specialise in prosecuting claims for delays - accept that your flight was subject to an extraordinary circumstance that does not qualify for compensation.

The airline should have paid for your hotel, food, and provided you with a new flight - so it seems they met their obligations to you.
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As time moved on, those storms moved east and AMS was very badly affected.
Yesterday's storms were moving from further inland, not from across the channel - bringing stormfronts that crossed the Netherlands from the southeast to the northwest. As such, London was more likely getting what had already traversed the continent, rather than the scenario you suggest above!

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Thanks all for the info.... Looks like not an A3 issue.
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Old May 30, 18, 7:33 am
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Originally Posted by irishguy28 View Post
Yesterday's storms were moving from further inland, not from across the channel - bringing stormfronts that crossed the Netherlands from the southeast to the northwest. As such, London was more likely getting what had already traversed the continent, rather than the scenario you suggest above!
Thanks. I was basing it on my own domestic flight at 1.35pm going west from NWI being delayed because of the London issue. The KL NWI-AMS flight, scheduled out just after 2pm, departed just about on time. The 5.10pm flight was delayed for nearly two hours, so it does look to me as if the real issues hit AMS later than the London area.

Perhaps there were multiple weather patterns? It was certainly a very interesting day to travel.
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Old May 30, 18, 7:42 am
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Additionally, there were a number of airports and surrounding air space which were subject to significant flow control due to weather and the ATC strike.

Thus, even though flights do operate, they operate at a much slower rate and thus delays of the sort people are experiencing become routine. As the disruption progresses, those delays become worse and worse.

Take a look at the FR 24 map over Western Europe on a routine day and you will see just how congested the air space is and the impact which slowing the number and rate at which those aircraft move, let alone the need for some to take more mortherly or southerly routes and it becomes easier to understand the problems either or both weather and an ATC in France, central as it is, to air traffic.
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