Immediate turnarounds in Europe on A3

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AMS - unless there is a spotcheck on the flight, forcing you to clear security on arrival, you will be able to almost immediately join the passengers gathering for departure at the gate you just arrived from. No security, no passport check - make sure to have your boarding pass already.

ARN works the same way as CPH - you are unloaded right into the gate area and should be able to immediately re-board.

BEG This is outside Schengen and the EU but you are still offloaded into the same area as departures so you should be able to immediately re-board. Security is at each gate. I'm not sure how legal it would be to go there and not pass through passport control (your passport is actually stamped - a novelty there days!) but there are often some VERY cheap flights from ATH.

BCN - Similar to MAD you are unloaded right into the gate area and can immediately re-board. There is even time to go to the lounge.

BRU - Brussels: fed straight into gate area, so immediate turnaround possible. But big warning: no clue how recent events at BRU might have changed airport ops!

CFU - Corfu (Kerkyra): bus to arrivals = have to reclear security, but airport is very small so only takes a few minutes -- told OA staff what I was doing and they offered to have the GA make sure to hold things in case of any delay

CPH - Copenhagen: should be very doable, as you get straight in the main departure lobby/gate on all my times flying there.

CHQ - Chania:bus gates/walk to arrivals on tarmac, so will have to reclear security, but as airport is very small it could surely done in 20-30 mins. High season charter crowds at the wrong hours of the day can complicate this! (Not stopping over for at least a day in CHQ is anyway a crime against humanity).

FCO - If docked at a jetty/bridge, simply walk along the long corridor till you come to the common area, then take the escalator one floor up and go to your gate. Should not take more than 5-10 minutes, still could be a long walk. But: look below at Maybe !

HER - You always get bussed, first waiting for business class to deplane. Once in the terminal, turn left after exiting the building and walk through the CI area to Schengen departures (~150 metres). The CI area may be a zoo in the summer months, push yourself through. Easy in off-season but iffy in the summer due to crowds at security.

LXS - 1 minute bus drive from plane to terminal (and same back). Terminal very small but check-in desks likely closed once you get to there so make sure you have boarding pass already. 25 minutes as is typical connection time is enough, when plane is delayed you'll likely need to run. You have to re-clear security.

MAD - You are unloaded right into the gate area and can immediately re-board. There is even time to go to the lounge.


OTP - Bucharest: you will be feeded away from the arrivals hall. Make sure before clearing passport control to find the transit point (not always staffed). Within 5-10 mins from there you should be back into the departures area, after BP is checked/gate agents or ground personell is contacted. Never tried personally myself, but should be very doable what I've read!

The small island airports (such as PAS) should be doable because they are so small. PAS is my home airport and it would be very easy to just walk outside, back into the termal and through security - probably about three minutes from stepping off the aircraft to being ready to board. Also, there is only one flight at once and only 4 or 5 members of staff at the entire airport so just tell somebody what you are doing as you depalane and I'm sure they'd wait for you. I imagine most of the other small airports (Naxos, Syros etc.) work the same.

SKG Tarmac deplane and bus to the terminal means you will enter terminal building at ground level, exit to landside and then take the stairs up. There you'll have to re-clear security which can be rather busy. There is a fasttrack on the left side though. Then pass a small taxfree maze and enter into the south end of the gate lounge. A3 lounge is at the north end, and it has its own boarding gate with direct access to its own bus to A3/OA flights.


TLV - Where the flight has a near 5 hour turnaround time A3928/929 this is a pretty hassle free trip. I landed and cleared in about 30 mins from landing. Advised guy at passport control the purpose of trip ( mileage run ) to which he asked if I had been to Israel before. After that gave me back my passport and said ''Enjoy''.

Went to get some fresh air before going back through departures. There is a HBO security line to the right. I was given a full interview for about 10 mins but guy was very pleasant. Put a sticker on my passport with a barcode then I went through a very thorough screening/x ray process. I would advise to do this trip HBO only as with checked bags the process would be a lot longer as they open everything. I would certainly do this MR again. I got some lovely local produce and some nice wines for Xmas. ^

VIE you are unloaded right into the gate area and should be able to immediately re-board. If you are unlucky and get a remote bus gate, you may have to walk a bit but no need to re-clear security and should be do-able in 10 minutes

WAW - Idiot proof (i.e. arrival into the departure hall, back to the plane through the same gate) and time for a quick bite/drink at the Polonez lounge if disembarking through a nearby gate.


Maybe:

FCO - If a bus is used... This happens every once in a while (10:1), it gets rather close. You get bussed to the common luggage collecting area, walk out, take a left and take the elevator one floor up. You go through security and once through, add another 5-10 minutes to reach your gate. Security may take long, also bussing, the whole operation might take more than 30 minutes. Unfortunately no way of knowing beforehand whether it will be jetty or bus.

OSL is a little different due to it not being in the EU (but still in Schengen). There you are unloaded into corridor above the main concourse and have to pass through a security check before going downstairs to the departure concourse. It SHOULD be very quick. NOTE that I have only arrived there from France and Germany, NOT from Greece but it should be the same.

LIS - if you end up on a stand with a jetway then you are deposited into the departure area and should be able to reboard. If you end up on a stand, you will be bussed to the terminal and end up on the far end of the departures area. You should still be able to make it to the gate with a boarding pass, but if things are running late, you may have problems.

LHR - The last flight of the day is definitely doable. You have the option of going through Flight Connections (the best option for those with non-UK/EU passports) or going landside and back through security that way. Both will take about 10 minutes at that time of the evening. The earlier flights would be more problematic, as the terminal would be much busier. It should still be doable but will more than likely not be very relaxed.

Forget it:

SOF. Forget it. I was bussed to the terminal which was really slow and then there was a reasonable queue at passport control (small airport and no other arrivals but only two desks).
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Old Apr 8, 16, 6:06 am
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Immediate turnarounds in Europe on A3

Does anyone have experiences on OSL or ARN to do immediate turnarounds on A3 flights? I know there is a great topic on the BA boards, but considering the UK is ex-Schengen and A3 flights might in practice get different (bus) gates, in practice it could be different.

(Small note to our beloved moderator, I know there have been current topics on this, mainly dealing with SKG and IST if I remember, so maybe it might be worth to merge all? Or feel free to put this somewhere else!)
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I think it's a great suggestion for a thread, but it needs some input first similar to the guide over at the BA board - albeit that's there for an entirely different reason.

That guide was ostensibly constructed by c-w-s, who has probably flown more BA routes and through more airports than anyone else on FT. If we could find that individual or collective wisdom here, then we could certainly put together a standard format that replicates the BA version.

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Perhaps to start off, I can already give a bit of my own input on other airports:

BRU - Brussels: feeded straight into gate area, so immediate turnaround possible. But big warning: no clue how recent events at BRU might have changed airport ops!

CPH - Copenhagen: should be very doable, as you get straight in the main departure lobby/gate on all my times flying there.

CHQ - Chania:bus gates/walk to arrivals on tarmac, so will have to reclear security, but as airport is very small it could surely done in 20-30 mins. High season charter crowds at the wrong hours of the day can complicate this! (Not stopping over for at least a day in CHQ is anyway a crime against humanity).

OTP - Bucharest: you will be feeded away from the arrivals hall. Make sure before clearing passport control to find the transit point (not always staffed). Within 5-10 mins from there you should be back into the departures area, after BP is checked/gate agents or ground personell is contacted. Never tried personally myself, but should be very doable what I've read!
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Regarding BRU - Brussels, I'm forced to try the immediate turnaround next week, since the evening flight to Athens will still be departing from Lille and I don't want to transfer by bus/train between airports (arriving in BRU).

According to https://www.brusselsairport2203.be/e...er-passengers/, I'm assuming the situation being unchanged for transfer, so it should be fine. Will report back at the end of next week.
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ARN works the same way as CPH - you are unloaded right into the gate area and should be able to immediately re-board.

OSL is a little different due to it not being in the EU (but still in Schengen). There you are unloaded into corridor above the main concourse and have to pass through a security check before going downstairs to the departure concourse. It SHOULD be very quick. NOTE that I have only arrived there from France and Germany, NOT from Greece but it should be the same.

Another recent experience was BEG. This is outside Schengen and the EU but you are still offloaded into the same area as departures so you should be able to immediately re-board. Security is at each gate. I'm not sure how legal it would be to go there and not pass through passport control (your passport is actually stamped - a novelty there days!) but there are often some VERY cheap flights from ATH.

SOF. Forget it. I was bussed to the terminal which was really slow and then there was a reasonable queue at passport control (small airport and no other arrivals but only two desks).

The small island airports (such as PAS) should be doable because they are so small. PAS is my home airport and it would be very easy to just walk outside, back into the termal and through security - probably about three minutes from stepping off the aircraft to being ready to board. Also, there is only one flight at once and only 4 or 5 members of staff at the entire airport so just tell somebody what you are doing as you depalane and I'm sure they'd wait for you. I imagine most of the other small airports (Naxos, Syros etc.) work the same.

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Thanks for your reply, Knobbgb!

Anyone might have some experiences as well at WAW? (Also has some great deals to there!)

You are right about the small domestic airports. I suddenly remember IOA - Ioannina as a very small and very efficient airport! (Although flight prices on the flights tend to be a little higher than to many island destinations)

PS. T566 - please keep up posted if BRU is still as convenient as before the recent terror attack!
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WAW - I never did a turnaround but Schengen arrivals are fed into the Schengen gate area. Only problem might be having to run across the entire hall, eg from gate 45 to gate 8 as these are the most distant.
But you will miss the *G section of the Polonez lounge which has improved lately.
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OSL is a little different due to it not being in the EU (but still in Schengen). There you are unloaded into corridor above the main concourse and have to pass through a security check before going downstairs to the departure concourse. It SHOULD be very quick. NOTE that I have only arrived there from France and Germany, NOT from Greece but it should be the same.
OSL is a mixed bag for me. I got stuck in a long line in that corridor for 20 minutes last time.
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@Knobbgb

Let me don't agree with you about SOF.

If you arrive on board A320 then you appear in transit area and you depart from the same gate as you arrived because A3 uses air bridges.
In case of flight with DH-8 you are bused to arrival area, but you can skip passport control - just need to go upstairs and downstairs to B area (B1 - B4).
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I added FCO to the Wiki both under Doable and Maybe: It will depend on whether you are to be bussed or whether you use the jetty, which is what happens in most cases.
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IST - may vary. Sometimes , immediate transfer is available, without going through security, there will be someone directing pax to departures area, but sometimes going through security may be necessary. But even with that, it should be do-able. Not normally huge queue. And fast track should help.
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AMS - immediate turnaround possible.
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MAD - very easy

In Madrid you get off and get on.
I even had tome to go to the lounge.
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