ALL - Accor Live Limitless (to replace Le Club from 2020)
Mar 4, 2019, 10:02 am
#107
Join Date: Jan 2011
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But that's the whole problem with the announcements so far. How are you going to entice ANY members to aim for this, when they haven't said what the benefits will be, and only plan to say sometime later in the year? What if it is just another apple and a annual free night certificate? Or, maybe it comes with a guarantee to be upgraded to the penthouse suite on every stay? Without knowing what the benefits will be, how can anyone be motivated to achieve it?
Mar 4, 2019, 10:07 am
#108
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But that's the whole problem with the announcements so far. How are you going to entice ANY members to aim for this, when they haven't said what the benefits will be, and only plan to say sometime later in the year? What if it is just another apple and a annual free night certificate? Or, maybe it comes with a guarantee to be upgraded to the penthouse suite on every stay? Without knowing what the benefits will be, how can anyone be motivated to achieve it?
Mar 4, 2019, 10:07 am
#109
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Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: BRU
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But that's the whole problem with the announcements so far. How are you going to entice ANY members to aim for this, when they haven't said what the benefits will be, and only plan to say sometime later in the year? What if it is just another apple and a annual free night certificate? Or, maybe it comes with a guarantee to be upgraded to the penthouse suite on every stay? Without knowing what the benefits will be, how can anyone be motivated to achieve it?
Mar 4, 2019, 10:15 am
#110
Join Date: Feb 2018
Programs: Bonvoy :Ambassador , ALL :Diamond, Skywards :Silver, Krisflyer :Silver
Posts: 2,802
My guess :
platinums will get sna as addition to current platinum benefit. And more apple ��
diamonds will get personal ambassador and all plt benefit, higher upgrade possibilities, extra points earning, and a box of apples.
the invitation tier, personal ambassador like diamond but with extra vip treatment .... and perhaps 2 boxes of apples ��
platinums will get sna as addition to current platinum benefit. And more apple ��
diamonds will get personal ambassador and all plt benefit, higher upgrade possibilities, extra points earning, and a box of apples.
the invitation tier, personal ambassador like diamond but with extra vip treatment .... and perhaps 2 boxes of apples ��
Mar 4, 2019, 10:16 am
#111
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Italy
Programs: Accor Gold, Marriott Titanium, IHG Diamond , Amex Platinum
Posts: 1,484
I think the new diamond level is something interesting for members already used to achieve Plat and more ... just motivating them to don’t “waste” any night out of Accors.
I don’t think it will move Silver/Gold customers who already join another program at different hotel chain, except due to competitors’s faults.
What i can see on my experience, would be better if Accor improve existing members’s treatment, to don’t loose them
to loose a customer is just 1 minute. To get a new Plat or Diamond customer (or to mantein an existing one) not the same ... and you can’t get it just offering some Suite upgrades
I don’t think it will move Silver/Gold customers who already join another program at different hotel chain, except due to competitors’s faults.
What i can see on my experience, would be better if Accor improve existing members’s treatment, to don’t loose them
to loose a customer is just 1 minute. To get a new Plat or Diamond customer (or to mantein an existing one) not the same ... and you can’t get it just offering some Suite upgrades
Mar 4, 2019, 10:56 am
#112
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: YYZ
Programs: Accor ALL Diamond, AC Aeroplan 25K, Nexus/GE
Posts: 2,728
Isn't that the same for many other companies? You advertise something new with a few details hoping to get attention and some excitement going. Airlines do this all the time "Look at this new business class seat, coming.... in 2022". I'm sure over the next couple of months more will be revealed.
Mar 4, 2019, 11:43 am
#113
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Southeast Asia
Posts: 264
Now that we know the criteria for Diamond, and know that additional spending with Accor this year will make us eligible for next year, I also only see upside to providing the list of benefits now. It is still early enough in the year to qualify. If the benefits are enticing and meaningful then more people will spend more starting tomorrow rather than delaying and possibly spending elsewhere. Of course this does not affect those people whose regular travel patterns in normally expensive markets or predominantly Luxury brands already assure them of getting 26,000 Status Points no matter what. They won’t mind when the benefits are announced.
If the benefits for Diamond are not that enticing, or are the type of benefits that individual hotels can choose not to provide based on lack of availability or whatever, then that’s another story. Members would still have the option of qualifying for Platinum in their usual way, and then paying for Suites etc in Accor Luxury hotels like non-members when luxury is the aim, or else achieving status in one or more additional programmes if they suit individual circumstances.
If the benefits for Diamond are not that enticing, or are the type of benefits that individual hotels can choose not to provide based on lack of availability or whatever, then that’s another story. Members would still have the option of qualifying for Platinum in their usual way, and then paying for Suites etc in Accor Luxury hotels like non-members when luxury is the aim, or else achieving status in one or more additional programmes if they suit individual circumstances.
Last edited by Kobetraveller; Mar 4, 2019 at 12:00 pm
Mar 4, 2019, 12:01 pm
#114
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Homeless
Programs: Hyatt Glob; Hilton Dia; Marriott AMB; Accor Dia; IHG Dia Amb; GHA Tit
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The goal of this program is supposed to encourage members to stay more. Personally I will stay more if benefits are there, but I won't if benefits are subpar relative to the competition. If they came out NOW to inform that 26k pts will give Diamond level and 4 suite upgrades for a stay up to max 5-7 nights (like Fairmont and Hyatt), then I will go out of my way to achieve Diamond at the expense of other hotel programs. But they better not wait too long because it's March already so if by the time they make it clear what the rules are and it's too late, then I won't shoot for anything at all.
And if they clarify that it's one suite night instead of a suite upgrade for an entire stay, then I am out of Accor, completely and immediately.
Until then, I am on hold and will have a few Accor stays here and there when convenient. Just enough to keep Diamond within striking distance but at some point it's in their best interest to give details ASAP.
And if they clarify that it's one suite night instead of a suite upgrade for an entire stay, then I am out of Accor, completely and immediately.
Until then, I am on hold and will have a few Accor stays here and there when convenient. Just enough to keep Diamond within striking distance but at some point it's in their best interest to give details ASAP.
Mar 4, 2019, 3:17 pm
#115
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Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Paris, France
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I find this 2nd announcement showing a positive trend with ALL:
- new tier with added benefits (of course, we don't know them yet but we know it's additional benefits). This new tier (Diamond) is interesting to favor loyalty with Accor instead of going elsewhere once passed the Plat requalification threshold
- a new on-invitation tier, which is always useful for a company like Accor and which may benefit to some people considered key for the company
- a very welcome suite upgrade for Plats
- new ways to earn and spend points
- And one very important aspect, different than when other programs made changes : there is no devaluation of existing benefits for Silver/Gold/Plat ^
Something missing at that point and long awaited : Plat for life status ?
- new tier with added benefits (of course, we don't know them yet but we know it's additional benefits). This new tier (Diamond) is interesting to favor loyalty with Accor instead of going elsewhere once passed the Plat requalification threshold
- a new on-invitation tier, which is always useful for a company like Accor and which may benefit to some people considered key for the company
- a very welcome suite upgrade for Plats
- new ways to earn and spend points
- And one very important aspect, different than when other programs made changes : there is no devaluation of existing benefits for Silver/Gold/Plat ^
Something missing at that point and long awaited : Plat for life status ?
Mar 4, 2019, 4:08 pm
#116
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: ASIA
Programs: TK Elite, ALL Plus Diamond, Marriott Platinum, Hertz PC
Posts: 3,530
You can ONLY start working towards Diamond in 2020.
NOTHING that you work on now will give you Diamond on the 1st Jan 2020. The max is still Platinum.
You CAN get Diamond in 2020 the moment you have spent the equivalent of ~€11,500.
(Edit: incorrect info)
Last edited by gilbertaue; Mar 5, 2019 at 1:08 am
Mar 4, 2019, 4:14 pm
#117
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To correct some things here.
You can ONLY start working towards Diamond in 2020.
NOTHING that you work on now will give you Diamond on the 1st Jan 2020. The max is still Platinum.
You CAN get Diamond in 2020 the moment you have spent the equivalent of ~€11,500.
So there is no need for Accor to release any benefit information now. It would be nice, so you can start cozying up to Accor, but you will not have Diamond status on the 1st Jan 2020 so it doesn't matter.
You can ONLY start working towards Diamond in 2020.
NOTHING that you work on now will give you Diamond on the 1st Jan 2020. The max is still Platinum.
You CAN get Diamond in 2020 the moment you have spent the equivalent of ~€11,500.
So there is no need for Accor to release any benefit information now. It would be nice, so you can start cozying up to Accor, but you will not have Diamond status on the 1st Jan 2020 so it doesn't matter.
"Status points earnt in 2019 will count for qualification of Diamond status in 2020" certainly sounds like it is possible to qualify for Diamond status based on spending in 2019.
Mar 4, 2019, 4:27 pm
#118
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: ASIA
Programs: TK Elite, ALL Plus Diamond, Marriott Platinum, Hertz PC
Posts: 3,530
I'll look into this
Mar 4, 2019, 5:38 pm
#119
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Southeast Asia
Posts: 264
Thank you. If you are correct, and the website is wrong, then I agree that it is not so urgent to know the Diamond benefits .... but I still say the sooner the better.
On a personal note, I do wish that they had kept a nights requirement also for Diamond qualification. This is a business so a number that is profitable for them (100 - 150 nights or whatever ???) that would also benefit the cheaper brands in interesting regional places which do not provide a lot of Status Points due to the lower room rates. These brands could have their own Diamond benefits even though they do not have the facilities offered by Luxury and Premium brands. But that would just be my preference.
The spending criteria for Diamond is fine too and we can make our own decisions once we know the Diamond benefits.
On a personal note, I do wish that they had kept a nights requirement also for Diamond qualification. This is a business so a number that is profitable for them (100 - 150 nights or whatever ???) that would also benefit the cheaper brands in interesting regional places which do not provide a lot of Status Points due to the lower room rates. These brands could have their own Diamond benefits even though they do not have the facilities offered by Luxury and Premium brands. But that would just be my preference.
The spending criteria for Diamond is fine too and we can make our own decisions once we know the Diamond benefits.
Last edited by Kobetraveller; Mar 4, 2019 at 5:43 pm
Mar 4, 2019, 6:41 pm
#120
Join Date: Oct 2012
Programs: Dynasty Frequent Flyer (Elite Plus),Accor Platinum
Posts: 1,866
26,000 status points is close to what I was thinking. And by Looking at our members it seems well placed level.
Surely I think it is clear enough 2019 status points will count towards diamond status. Pretty silly starting a program in 2020 when for the first few months no one will even have that shiny new Diamond card.
I think the biggest risk is or was for gold members to get reduced benefits. Maybe one diamond benefit could be implentation of worldwide complimentry breakfasts. 1 time complimentry use per stay of hotel's car service within a certain radius of the hotel (25kms?)
Surely I think it is clear enough 2019 status points will count towards diamond status. Pretty silly starting a program in 2020 when for the first few months no one will even have that shiny new Diamond card.
I think the biggest risk is or was for gold members to get reduced benefits. Maybe one diamond benefit could be implentation of worldwide complimentry breakfasts. 1 time complimentry use per stay of hotel's car service within a certain radius of the hotel (25kms?)
