How to get value from Accor points?
#31
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Join Date: Jun 2007
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, as you may have read the whole thread, Accor does not value their own cash back points as much as money. Other brands, such as Hilton mentioned in this thread, do allow members to fully use points and to participate in other promos. Furthermore other brands have no issues in correctly accruing nights and stays when points are used.
And the whole idea of using points as a discount on the cash rate is useless as far as I'm concerned especially if you can't even apply it to the lowest rate available. Today I redeemed 35K Marriott points for a hotel that was going to cost me US$700/night! If the hotel had been priced at its usual rate ($250), I would have thought twice about using points. Plus my points booking is fully cancellable, another huge advantage of other award programs.
Last edited by margarita girl; Feb 6, 2019 at 2:12 pm
#32
Join Date: Jan 2011
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So how, exactly, does one know whether or not points can be used on your stay? On my last couple of stays, I went to the front desk and applied points against my bill. Does that mean the hotel does some sort of validation of your rate before they agree to redeem points? The agent I dealt with commented that it was the first time he'd ever redeemed any points for a guest. After some confusion, and after realizing I wasn't trying to redeem an FPC certificate, he went into the office to get a supervisor to start the (very cumbersome and stupid) process with the text message confirmation, and then did a manual adjustment to my bill for the amount redeemed. He did say he'd only been with the hotel on the front desk for 8 months, but it was his first ever experience with Accor points. Was there really some sort of rate validation going on during the redemption? Does Accor even have the IT skills to program that logic?
I don't recall seeing anything on the fairmont.com site when making the booking that indicated whether or not points usage would be refused or accepted. My booking was not at the full 'Daily Rate', so is there some list of promotions or discounts that are considered acceptable or not? It doesn't seem like a huge deal, since if you don't use points on one stay, you can use them on the next, but how do you know that your booking will be eligible?
I don't recall seeing anything on the fairmont.com site when making the booking that indicated whether or not points usage would be refused or accepted. My booking was not at the full 'Daily Rate', so is there some list of promotions or discounts that are considered acceptable or not? It doesn't seem like a huge deal, since if you don't use points on one stay, you can use them on the next, but how do you know that your booking will be eligible?
Last edited by CanadaDH; Feb 6, 2019 at 8:42 pm
#33
Join Date: May 1998
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If you are even talking about redeeming points at the hotel then you are excluding any prepaid rate/non-refundable rate and you can be pretty confident that you can redeem points against your open hotel folio charges/ room charges
#34
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: YVR
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So how, exactly, does one know whether or not points can be used on your stay? On my last couple of stays, I went to the front desk and applied points against my bill. Does that mean the hotel does some sort of validation of your rate before they agree to redeem points? The agent I dealt with commented that it was the first time he'd ever redeemed any points for a guest. After some confusion, and after realizing I wasn't trying to redeem an FPC certificate, he went into the office to get a supervisor to start the (very cumbersome and stupid) process with the text message confirmation, and then did a manual adjustment to my bill for the amount redeemed. He did say he'd only been with the hotel on the front desk for 8 months, but it was his first ever experience with Accor points. Was there really some sort of rate validation going on during the redemption? Does Accor even have the IT skills to program that logic?
I don't recall seeing anything on the fairmont.com site when making the booking that indicated whether or not points usage would be refused or accepted. My booking was not at the full 'Daily Rate', so is there some list of promotions or discounts that are considered acceptable or not? It doesn't seem like a huge deal, since if you don't use points on one stay, you can use them on the next, but how do you know that your booking will be eligible?
I don't recall seeing anything on the fairmont.com site when making the booking that indicated whether or not points usage would be refused or accepted. My booking was not at the full 'Daily Rate', so is there some list of promotions or discounts that are considered acceptable or not? It doesn't seem like a huge deal, since if you don't use points on one stay, you can use them on the next, but how do you know that your booking will be eligible?
#35
Join Date: Apr 2006
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Assuming the reservation is flexible, just cancel it and rebook, during the rebooking process the points can be used, and dont forget the mr rebates .com 8.5% discount via cash back.
#36
Join Date: Jun 2007
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I'm starting to believe that all these difficulties are either subject to one being an ex FPC member, or that ex FPC members just are not willing to understand the system.
Certain, sale only, lowest priced, prepaid rates don't allow you to redeem points. PRE PAID rates. So if you have a POST PAID rate, you will always be able to redeem points upon checkout.
That process is very simple, for trained staff. You get a pin code by email once they have inserted the request, they then key in that pin, and away you go.
I may be the odd one out here, but I never have had issues with AccorHotels points credit or debit.
If the thread starter wants to try, you can contact the hotel directly and see if they are willing to offer you the rate as postpaid - not unheard of.
Certain, sale only, lowest priced, prepaid rates don't allow you to redeem points. PRE PAID rates. So if you have a POST PAID rate, you will always be able to redeem points upon checkout.
That process is very simple, for trained staff. You get a pin code by email once they have inserted the request, they then key in that pin, and away you go.
I may be the odd one out here, but I never have had issues with AccorHotels points credit or debit.
If the thread starter wants to try, you can contact the hotel directly and see if they are willing to offer you the rate as postpaid - not unheard of.
#37
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Berlin
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Your example above shows clearly why it can be a very good thing to have a reserve of points in a programme such as Marriott's. I'm sure no one here would disagree. But don't knock Accor's way of doing things just for being different: Accor points are a straightforward discount, at rates published in advance and dependent on status level and hotel brand, with opportunities to gain additional points through promotions.
#38
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: YVR
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I want to be able to keep this as a refundable stay in the event I need to cancel. It appears that applying the points changes the conditions to a non-refundable reservation.
#39
Join Date: Dec 2014
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#40
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: YVR
Posts: 625
I currently have a refundable stay booked without using my points (the points were accrued following the booking). I have tried to make a new booking using my points and it does not offer a refundable option.
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#44
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: YVR
Posts: 625
Thanks - I hate to change the tab from package to standard. I notice the price is the same. Where does it actually show the discount for points? Is it after I hit the "Book" button? Sorry. This is the first time using points with Accor.
Last edited by prmetime; Feb 7, 2019 at 8:08 pm Reason: adding further question.
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