I am forgetting if using points blocks earning points
#16
Original Poster
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 394
On looking again, I found that the remaining amount I was going to pay after points was all taxes, and I usually get that refunded. So I might have lost all credit for this stay (?)
Cancelled the points stay, and I'll just pay, to be sure of hitting my 60 nights.
Thanks for the reminders given above.
Cancelled the points stay, and I'll just pay, to be sure of hitting my 60 nights.
Thanks for the reminders given above.
#17
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: CAN, LAX, TPE
Programs: AA, AS, CI, DL, UA
Posts: 2,898
Ok so you have gold status and stayed in a Mercure, Novotel or Sofitel
Are the amounts above including service charges and GST? That's 17% in total in Singapore. If that is the case and they have applied the same logic as they have done several times before then the following would be the case (approximate amounts due to currency fluctuations):
Total hotel bill (room + expenses + service charge + GST): SGD 851
Minus: Paid with points 22,000 points = EUR 440 EUR ~ SGD 713
Minus: Total Service charges + GST (17%) SGD 124
Remaining SGD 14 ~ EUR 9
EUR 9 equals 33 reward points and 22 status points.
By the way - I just realized that the Mercure Singapore Bugis was one of the hotels where this happened to me. Took me several emails to get it resolved. Initially they insisted that their calculation was correct. Eventually they gave in and the missing points were credited to my account.
Are the amounts above including service charges and GST? That's 17% in total in Singapore. If that is the case and they have applied the same logic as they have done several times before then the following would be the case (approximate amounts due to currency fluctuations):
Total hotel bill (room + expenses + service charge + GST): SGD 851
Minus: Paid with points 22,000 points = EUR 440 EUR ~ SGD 713
Minus: Total Service charges + GST (17%) SGD 124
Remaining SGD 14 ~ EUR 9
EUR 9 equals 33 reward points and 22 status points.
By the way - I just realized that the Mercure Singapore Bugis was one of the hotels where this happened to me. Took me several emails to get it resolved. Initially they insisted that their calculation was correct. Eventually they gave in and the missing points were credited to my account.
Stay is SGD 546 + 17%
Eligible is SGD 45 + 17%
I ended up receiving 188 status + 278 bonus in addition to the 22 + 33. Not far off from my calculation so I let it go.
#18
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Singapore
Programs: SPG LTP, HH D
Posts: 729
Missing Points from Cash-Points stay
I did a 4 night stay at the Royal Beach Seminyak MGallery in October. The stay was prepaid with a mix of points and cash (credit card). As expected, the points to be accrued from the cash portion of the stay was not credited into my account. When I posted a missing points request, Accor Hotels Customer Care replied by email that "I can confirm that the number of points credited to your account is correct. Any expenses paid for using points, such as points used at the hotel itself or for your booking, do not result in points being credited to your account."
Accor's reply also directed me to the General Conditions of Use last updated 12 April 2017 which apparently includes this sentence [my italics and bolding]:
Thanks!
Accor's reply also directed me to the General Conditions of Use last updated 12 April 2017 which apparently includes this sentence [my italics and bolding]:
- reservations and expenses made in full or in part using Rewards Points are not eligible to earn Rewards Points, but do entitle the member to accumulate Eligible Nights, provided that the conditions for this accumulation, as defined in the general conditions of use for the Programme, are met.
Thanks!
#19
#20
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Saint Brieuc
Programs: HHonors, Accorhotel Platinium, Nordic Choice Platinium
Posts: 966
I found this when looking at Accor's FAQ :
"The portion of the invoice for which Rewards points have been used is not eligible for earning points. The remaining expenses invoiced are eligible for earning Status and Rewards points according to the rules defined in the general terms and conditions of use of the programme."
https://www.accorhotels.com/gb/suppo...my-point.shtml
"The portion of the invoice for which Rewards points have been used is not eligible for earning points. The remaining expenses invoiced are eligible for earning Status and Rewards points according to the rules defined in the general terms and conditions of use of the programme."
https://www.accorhotels.com/gb/suppo...my-point.shtml
#21
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Singapore
Programs: SPG LTP, HH D
Posts: 729
I found this when looking at Accor's FAQ :
"The portion of the invoice for which Rewards points have been used is not eligible for earning points. The remaining expenses invoiced are eligible for earning Status and Rewards points according to the rules defined in the general terms and conditions of use of the programme."
https://www.accorhotels.com/gb/suppo...my-point.shtml
"The portion of the invoice for which Rewards points have been used is not eligible for earning points. The remaining expenses invoiced are eligible for earning Status and Rewards points according to the rules defined in the general terms and conditions of use of the programme."
https://www.accorhotels.com/gb/suppo...my-point.shtml
#22
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Shinjuku, Tokyo
Programs: Accor Plus Plat, Marriot Plat, AF Silver
Posts: 315
They calculator is quite accurate if you input the right parameters: https://www.accorhotels.com/gb/leclu...n-points.shtml
Take your invoice, look at the part that will be paid in Cash/CC before any tax and after the portion paid by points (if any) has been subtracted.
Let's say you pay 120, but this includes 20 of taxes, and 40 were paid with points => you will only earn status/award points on (120 - 20 - 40 =) 60.
You can as well add any hotel expenses (pre-tax) to the final amount, make sure to charge the room to avoid chasing separate receipts/credit cards payments as proof of purchases.
I'm usually able to forecast quite accurately how many points +/- few % error.
This is useful to re-qualify for the intended status level. Was targeting 14K points for Platinum and ended up a little above 15K due to extra restaurant expenses over the year.
Note that recently I've seen some new types of errors:
One hotel in Vietnam reported the total amount in VND instead of USD and posted only 5% of the expected amount. They fixed quickly the mistake when contacted.
Another one in Singapore deducted the points portion twice and also fixed the mistake quickly when contacted.
Just make sure to follow up after each stay.
Julien
#23
I did a 4 night stay at the Royal Beach Seminyak MGallery in October. The stay was prepaid with a mix of points and cash (credit card). As expected, the points to be accrued from the cash portion of the stay was not credited into my account. When I posted a missing points request, Accor Hotels Customer Care replied by email that "I can confirm that the number of points credited to your account is correct. Any expenses paid for using points, such as points used at the hotel itself or for your booking, do not result in points being credited to your account."
Accor's reply also directed me to the General Conditions of Use last updated 12 April 2017 which apparently includes this sentence [my italics and bolding]:
Thanks!
Accor's reply also directed me to the General Conditions of Use last updated 12 April 2017 which apparently includes this sentence [my italics and bolding]:
- reservations and expenses made in full or in part using Rewards Points are not eligible to earn Rewards Points, but do entitle the member to accumulate Eligible Nights, provided that the conditions for this accumulation, as defined in the general conditions of use for the Programme, are met.
Thanks!
#24
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Singapore
Programs: SPG LTP, HH D
Posts: 729
Finally got my points. But it was a long two weeks of chasing and to-ing/fro-ing, and so bloody unnecessary. Got my Gold for the year but I reckon 2018 will be my last year as an elite or even as a member with Accor.
#25
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 56
Booking made partly with points are still eligible for points earning on the part paid by cash/CC. For this, there is a minimum of how much remain to be paid and IIRC it is €10 or 15. I don't know what it means for the number of eligible nights (do they count them all or just a part, or 0 ?).
#26
#28
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Surrey, UK
Programs: BAEC Gold, Accor Plat
Posts: 156
Claiming missing points
Resurrecting an earlier thread re points and partial points payments
I recently stayed in the Sofitel Melbourne.
I had 2 bookings - 1 for 8 days and all paid up front and a 2nd booking (to extend the original booking) for 1 day which had to be paid on departure.
On departure I used points to pay for most of the 1 day cost + and cash for the balance + other sundries (relating to the 8 day booking).
The points credited only relate to the cash I paid on departure and nothing has been credited for the separate 8 day booking.
I sent all the info, copy statements, copy booking info etc to Accor (using the link on their web page) and since then (about 5 weeks ago) - have heard..... precisely nothing!
Am I going to waste my time repeating the whole process again, or should I telephone CS, or should I contact the Sofitel Melbourne?
I recently stayed in the Sofitel Melbourne.
I had 2 bookings - 1 for 8 days and all paid up front and a 2nd booking (to extend the original booking) for 1 day which had to be paid on departure.
On departure I used points to pay for most of the 1 day cost + and cash for the balance + other sundries (relating to the 8 day booking).
The points credited only relate to the cash I paid on departure and nothing has been credited for the separate 8 day booking.
I sent all the info, copy statements, copy booking info etc to Accor (using the link on their web page) and since then (about 5 weeks ago) - have heard..... precisely nothing!
Am I going to waste my time repeating the whole process again, or should I telephone CS, or should I contact the Sofitel Melbourne?
#29
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Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Paris, France
Programs: AF/KL Flying Blue Platinum for life/Club2000 Ultimate, Accor ALL Diamond
Posts: 21,922
Resurrecting an earlier thread re points and partial points payments
I recently stayed in the Sofitel Melbourne.
I had 2 bookings - 1 for 8 days and all paid up front and a 2nd booking (to extend the original booking) for 1 day which had to be paid on departure.
On departure I used points to pay for most of the 1 day cost + and cash for the balance + other sundries (relating to the 8 day booking).
The points credited only relate to the cash I paid on departure and nothing has been credited for the separate 8 day booking.
I sent all the info, copy statements, copy booking info etc to Accor (using the link on their web page) and since then (about 5 weeks ago) - have heard..... precisely nothing!
Am I going to waste my time repeating the whole process again, or should I telephone CS, or should I contact the Sofitel Melbourne?
I recently stayed in the Sofitel Melbourne.
I had 2 bookings - 1 for 8 days and all paid up front and a 2nd booking (to extend the original booking) for 1 day which had to be paid on departure.
On departure I used points to pay for most of the 1 day cost + and cash for the balance + other sundries (relating to the 8 day booking).
The points credited only relate to the cash I paid on departure and nothing has been credited for the separate 8 day booking.
I sent all the info, copy statements, copy booking info etc to Accor (using the link on their web page) and since then (about 5 weeks ago) - have heard..... precisely nothing!
Am I going to waste my time repeating the whole process again, or should I telephone CS, or should I contact the Sofitel Melbourne?
Do not give up.