4500 Hotels Closed
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4500 Hotels Closed
From the Accor Q1 2020 presentation
https://group.accor.com/-/media/Corp...42020-vDef.pdf
Not looking good for the asset light management model.
https://group.accor.com/-/media/Corp...42020-vDef.pdf
Not looking good for the asset light management model.
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Wow. Accor must not have an extended stay brand, because most of those are still open.
I'd rather be in Accor's position than be in MGM's position, that is to say needing the hotels open to earn money to make the payments on a huge amount of debt.
I'd rather be in Accor's position than be in MGM's position, that is to say needing the hotels open to earn money to make the payments on a huge amount of debt.
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Two Maps
One showing Accor Hotels ( open or not )
Link here : https://all.accor.com/gb/booking/map-search.shtml
and one map from John Hoskins as per the Accor presentation.
Link Here :https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/a...23467b48e9ecf6
Both maps will change.
My point about the asset lite is that during therese sad and worrying times, in my view, the franchise have to make their own choices as to what to do, before they will run out of cash. This may lead some of them to either simply liquidate if heaverley mortgaged, or even change flag when the time comes ( I know that there is natural churn on both of these - but the situation may make it worse ). If Accor owned the properties the situation would be different. However that would have meant a much slower opening of hotels in the past. All I do know is that there should be some clear and present leadership shown.If you are a shareholder, it is unlikely that you will have seen much ( if any ) share price rise under the present team at HO.
The link I gave to the main ( non booking site ) has lots of documents to read - as you are not flying or staying in hotels.
Stay Safe.
One showing Accor Hotels ( open or not )
Link here : https://all.accor.com/gb/booking/map-search.shtml
and one map from John Hoskins as per the Accor presentation.
Link Here :https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/a...23467b48e9ecf6
Both maps will change.
My point about the asset lite is that during therese sad and worrying times, in my view, the franchise have to make their own choices as to what to do, before they will run out of cash. This may lead some of them to either simply liquidate if heaverley mortgaged, or even change flag when the time comes ( I know that there is natural churn on both of these - but the situation may make it worse ). If Accor owned the properties the situation would be different. However that would have meant a much slower opening of hotels in the past. All I do know is that there should be some clear and present leadership shown.If you are a shareholder, it is unlikely that you will have seen much ( if any ) share price rise under the present team at HO.
The link I gave to the main ( non booking site ) has lots of documents to read - as you are not flying or staying in hotels.
Stay Safe.
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That pdf linked in the OP is interesting
I'm staying in a Mantra apartment in Brisbane. When I checked in yesterday the FDA told me that I was only their second check-in in 3 weeks. Here you must present a letter confirming that you are travelling for an approved purpose and the FDA told me that the police had been around a couple of nights ago to check that they had the appropriate documentation for all guests. There are a significant number of longstay guests (eg overseas students) and some owner occupiers in Mantra properties and that is the only reason that some of them remain open. The two non-apartment Mantra properties in Brisbane closed 2 weeks ago. I was tossed out of one of them
I'm staying in a Mantra apartment in Brisbane. When I checked in yesterday the FDA told me that I was only their second check-in in 3 weeks. Here you must present a letter confirming that you are travelling for an approved purpose and the FDA told me that the police had been around a couple of nights ago to check that they had the appropriate documentation for all guests. There are a significant number of longstay guests (eg overseas students) and some owner occupiers in Mantra properties and that is the only reason that some of them remain open. The two non-apartment Mantra properties in Brisbane closed 2 weeks ago. I was tossed out of one of them
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My point about the asset lite is that during therese sad and worrying times, in my view, the franchise have to make their own choices as to what to do, before they will run out of cash. This may lead some of them to either simply liquidate if heaverley mortgaged, or even change flag when the time comes ( I know that there is natural churn on both of these - but the situation may make it worse ). If Accor owned the properties the situation would be different. However that would have meant a much slower opening of hotels in the past. All I do know is that there should be some clear and present leadership shown.If you are a shareholder, it is unlikely that you will have seen much ( if any ) share price rise under the present team at HO.
The link I gave to the main ( non booking site ) has lots of documents to read - as you are not flying or staying in hotels.
Stay Safe.
The link I gave to the main ( non booking site ) has lots of documents to read - as you are not flying or staying in hotels.
Stay Safe.
what would be interesting now is to see how many of these international chains are willing to "prop up" or assist the properties which fly their flag or will be cut loose and wait for the industry to restart to fish for new properties.
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There are good arguments for both models. I prefer to "own" what I use to trade from.
The other method is to go to some form of liquidation, or administration, and then do a pre-pack deal. Been done before. ( and will be done again by many in a few months time I think ).
Personally speaking, we own a number of warehouse units ( tenants getting Gov support - but will go bust ), but no mortgage. In a few years time we can re let. I have sold our last remaining house that we let to fund us though the two or three years that there will be no industrilal tenants. House prices will fall. I got 70% of value but I got cash. I can now ride it out.
Keep safe.
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I work with both owners and management companies, in some cases at the same properties. While my role doesn't pertain directly to the numbers, I have gleaned enough insights to realise that the owners are taking a much bigger hit. Some are using the dead period to complete long overdue renovations and even reflag though.
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As a shareholder, I would prefer to be an owner of a hotel that includes the real estate. The asset light management model that many chains use is fully dependent on the revenue stream from operations, and your investment can plummet quickly. If you are backed by a real estate asset which isn't going anywhere, you are more diversified, and your holdings will retain more value during a downturn like this. But it doesn't really matter, because the current model is the only one possible for Accor anyway (and most other chains).
Purchasing all of the properties under Accor's brands is way beyond their ability. Ownership of real estate requires pockets much deeper than what Accor, and many other hotel chains, currently have. Take the Canadian Fairmont properties for example. It would require billions to acquire that real estate, and that's just for a dozen or so properties here. What would it take to buy up 5,000 hotels around the world? Most of the Canadian Fairmonts are actually owned by the pension funds of the Ontario and Quebec provincial and municipal employees. These are very expensive and long term real estate investments suited to organizations with vast amounts of money to invest. These hotels are not owned by highly leveraged firms taking out mortgages and investing in property. These hotels survived the great depression in the 1930s, and survived complete hotel closures for a few years during WWII. The properties will survive this too, and will be around long after Accor is gone.
The ownership of hotels and the management of them are just two completely different businesses, suited to different types of investors.
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If occupancy drops to 10%, you're looking at a bit less than 200k in gross revenues, and a trivial management fee.
Let's further assume that your total costs, including debt service, are 800k per month at 80% occupancy and 650k at 10% occupancy.
This means that you're losing 450k while the management company is at zero. I'd rather be at zero with minimal exposure than pissing away 450k per month.
As a shareholder, I would prefer to be an owner of a hotel that includes the real estate.
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This means that you're losing 450k while the management company is at zero. I'd rather be at zero with minimal exposure than pissing away 450k per month.
Some chains (e.g. Shangri-La and Wanda) try to own as high a percentage of their properties as possible, others invest in properties on an opportunistic basis (e.g. Hilton, Marriott, Hyatt), and the rest are 100% asset light. I'm not sure which model is best, but all 3 have strengths and weaknesses.
Some chains (e.g. Shangri-La and Wanda) try to own as high a percentage of their properties as possible, others invest in properties on an opportunistic basis (e.g. Hilton, Marriott, Hyatt), and the rest are 100% asset light. I'm not sure which model is best, but all 3 have strengths and weaknesses.
For those saying owners will be able to "cash out" by selling the property, it really depends on how much they bought it for. Properties don't increase in value by default, and the building + equipment automatically looses value once it is recorded on the books.
Look at cities like Detroit, big city in the world's richest nation can still become a ghost town in this day and age.