Originally Posted by
Ricebucket
What exactly is your objective here? Have China adopt a policy that you know is unpopular with the public? Bring disease to hundreds of millions of people? Do you think about how it makes you look?
You completely missed
STS-134's point
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We are not debating the health policies by countries about COVID, or quarantine requirements etc.
We are talking about unilateral actions by the Chinese government to treat US citizens. PRC has suspended their 10-year visas and basically banned US citizens to visit China.
OTOH, PRC citizens with 10-year US visas are welcome to visit the US, as long as they have vaccination and negative test.
Originally Posted by
narvik
So, basically, you're just really pissed off that you can't get to China.
Got it.
No. He is pissed off that China has taken all sorts of unreasonable measures against US citizens, such as suspending their visas, not allowing them to fly to China via Japan etc. when they DO have the visa and RP. Not to mention this "circuit break policy" against US airlines.
Originally Posted by
STS-134
As a US citizen who is currently effectively banned from traveling to the PRC at all despite having a valid 10 year visa, I expect my government to stand up for me by banning PRC citizens from visiting my country in turn until this stupid policy stops.
Quarantines are medically necessary to stop the spread of disease, if your goal is zero COVID. I'm not debating whether that is realistic or not here. But if that is the goal, there is zero scientific reason for requiring all US citizens to fly directly from the US if flights through other countries are cheaper or for temporarily invalidating all visas issued prior to March 2020. There is no difference in the ability of US citizens vs. PRC citizens to carry viruses, and the quarantines are there to stop this from happening (this is why I was also critical of the previous US administration's travel "ban" that allowed US citizens to return to the US directly from the PRC and then walk off the plane directly into the general population). If you're willing to sit through a quarantine, you should be allowed to visit. If the PRC side isn't going to be reasonable and issue only regulations backed up by science, then I expect my government to engage in a tit for tat with them to make it as painful for them as possible to get this idiocy to stop.
Exactly.
I applaud the DOT for standing up to China and suspending flights by Chinese carriers. Last year when China tried to limit UA/AA/DL to only ONE weekly flight, the DOT responded by canceling flights by Chinese carriers. In two days, China backed off and allowed UA/AA/DL to operate 4 weekly flights.
China's so called 5-1 policy (one country, one airline, one weekly flight) clearly violates China-US aviation treaty. The US government must draw a hardline on the sand.
Banning US citizens entering China from a third country, or when they merely transit from a third country such as SFO-NRT-PVG, or transit from HK, even if they have valid visa and resident permit, is unjustified, arbitrary, and unfair.
I urge the Biden Administration to raise this issue to PRC. If China doesn't back off, the US should ban all Chinese citizens entering the US transiting from another country or region such as Japan, HK, Canada, Europe etc.
Or suspend their 10 -year US visas.