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Old Nov 12, 2020, 7:54 am
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Bali is looking to open up. I am still waiting to hear from my contact who is associated with its governor to find out more about that.

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A few facts about Sweden for those who don’t know this place intimately:

1) Most alcohol-loving Swedes start drinking earlier and in private as a matter of routine before going out (if at all) to get multiple (if any) drinks at bars/clubs; and it is done as a matter of cost control and maximizing socialization in more intimate (but not necessarily smaller, more distanced) groups than when going out to bars/clubs. This is very unlikely to change for visitors this winter just because of restrictions on parties with alcohol service licenses.

2) More strict controls of social distancing at bars/clubs during traditional peak alcohol service times will overwhelm the police (more so than usual on party nights) as the Swedish ordinance control people involved in enforcement (or whatever) against patrons will then be dragging the police (proper) more often into the situation if the involved parties really desire to go full force on enforcement on this. And don’t be surprised if this involves discrimination where foreigners/visitors to the alcohol-serving-places end up in the back of the police Volvo more often than the ethnically native Swede even when engaged in the very same behavior as the locals.

Sweden already had a period in places where bars went to seated service only for bar patrons. Often flouted and sometimes “enforced” in ththe very manner suggested in my prior paragraph.

Originally Posted by fransknorge
Swedish Public Health Agency should not be taken seriously with their conclusions: they reach conclusions that they are the only one to reach, contrary to most other health agency around the world and researchers (including Swedish researchers), most notably with children spreading, restaurants and distancing.

For example here is what Norway Public Health Authority published about "most likely jobs to get COVID" based on contact tracing (that Sweden does not do, so have no data). Waiter and bartender are at the tops:



https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...ierce-backlash
https://amp.ft.com/content/1e0ac31d-...mpression=true
Yes. And keep in mind that the Swedish health authorities have been (and still remain) opposed to the general public using masks as a public health security measure and even suggested that mask use by the general public is a public health danger. That’s sign enough for visitors to not have blind confidence in the Swedish health authorities making Sweden safe for visitors or even its own citizens and other residents when it comes to Covid-19 this winter.

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