Old Oct 13, 20, 8:01 am
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Originally Posted by Herb687 View Post
I would not take that bet. By sheer numbers, you are probably correct. But the number of AA elites in DFW strikes me as completely irrelevant to whether or not DFW counts as a fortress.

Again, CLT is objectively more a fortress than DFW. In fact, I suspect that AA elites as a percentage of all AA POO CLT/DFW O&D pax is higher at CLT than DFW. The problem is that 100% of the elites in CLT (both of them! ) doesn't buy you a whole heck of a lot and you wind up with a hub that has to live off of low yielding flow traffic despite it being a massive "fortress." (Ref pmNW at MEM)

To me, a fortress hub is a function of overwhelming local market share and an ability to dictate price in the market. I know for a fact that WN pricing impacts AA pricing at DFW.
What's your obsession with "fortress hub"? You aren't the authority on definitions. I'm CK and consistently, prior to Covid, the hardest routes to upgrade were out of DFW, not CLT.

You know for a fact that WN pricing impacts AA at DFW? Wow, I'm so impressed. You realize AA has had a huge Pricing and Revenue Management department for decades now, right? LOL Oh and they establish rates for flights out of CLT, too.
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