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Old Oct 2, 2004 | 2:54 am
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Originally Posted by law dawg
No. Just look at the posts after every single article posted against LEOs/TSA on this forum and the choruses of "Amen!" before anything other than the media report.



Those are some of the few with no infringement of civil liberties in our nation's history. Look at the Civil War. Look at the War of 1812. Look at WWI. Look at rationing in WWII.

No it is not. It is a difference in interpretation. In YOUR interpretation it is a violation. In other's eyes it is not.

Name the lie that Bush told under oath. I am no Bush fan, but he hasn't committed a crime yet. And if you say he knowing lied about Iraq I will know where you get your sources from.....
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Lie--I don't believe it takes a lie to fail to carry out your oath of office.

Is decreeing that you can detain individuals indefinitely without charge or trial defending the constitution?

How about sanctioning--or at least not condemning torture? Is that something to hold your head up high and be proud to support...?

I don't know if Bush lied about Iraq. I do know that Bush stood in front of a crowd one week before Election Day in 2000 and said that this country should not be involved with nation building and the military should fight wars--period.

That’s not his tune now.

He has used incredibly poor judgment in Iraq, his underlings are spreading mistruths about what is happening now in Iraq (Rice saying that Iraq is similar to post war Germany is a complete falsehood---no Americans died in the WW 2 post war occupation as are dying now in Iraq).

And even Republicans who can stand on their own 2 feet and think are criticizing Bush and his "economic" policy that is bankrupting this country.....

Joe Scarborough, former Republican congressman and now an MSNBC host writing on the op-ed pages of The Wall Street Journal last week:

"Mr. Bush, like most Republicans these days, only pays lip service to smaller government and balanced budgets..."

If Scarborough's indictment isn't strong enough, listen to Pete Peterson, Nixon's Secretary of Commerce and now chairman of the influential Council on Foreign Affairs:

"This administration and the Republican Congress have presided over the biggest, most reckless deterioration of America's finances in history."

That's from his new book: "Running on Empty: How The Democratic & Republican Parties Are Bankrupting Our Future & What Americans Can Do About It."

How about some answers from Bush on some of these problems---

1. World War III deficit

Well folks, America is now in World War III, which we're euphemistically calling a "war on terror." This global war will drain America's resources for decades. And yet, amazingly, the Federal budget totally omits long-term estimates of maintaining 138,000 troops in Iraq. We've already spent $200 billion -- that's $2 trillion every decade.

2. Energy-oil deficit

Contrary to initial expectations, the Iraqi war has reduced oil supplies, driven allies away, encouraged terrorists and made enemies of Islamic nations, many which control the supply and price of oil. Meanwhile China's rapidly developing consumer demands are competing for oil and driving up the price. And we continue to promote gas-guzzlers.

3. Federal budget deficits

Congress just passed Bush's tax cut No. 4. Plus, the president has promised to make permanent all the prior tax cuts. Meanwhile, the federal budget balloons out of control with a growth of 9 percent annually, way over inflation. Today's $500 billion annual deficits have reversed a $5.6 trillion surplus of three years ago. In another decade America will be well over $10 trillion in debt.

4. Medicare deficit

Prescription-drug freebies targeted the senior vote. But the real winner was America's drug cartel; huge benefits included no-price-negotiation protection. Afterward, the White House admitted the price tag was $500 billion not $400 billion. Boston University economist Larry Kotlikoff estimates long-term Medicare debt at $36.6 trillion and climbing. And that doesn't include the economic burden of 45 million uninsured Americans.

5. Social Security deficit

Critics warn of $7.4 trillion shortfalls. Privatizing Social Security will actually increase the federal debt another $2 trillion through lost revenues, will increase market risk and still will not solve the underlying structural problems of America's retirement system.

6. Global credibility deficit

America's international credibility is below zero. The Iraq war has backfired. Allies no longer trust us. A billion Muslims don't trust democratic reforms. As another Nixon strategist, political historian Kevin Phillips put it: "Most great nations, at the peak of their economic power, become arrogant and wage great world wars at great cost, wasting vast resources, taking on huge debt, and ultimately burning themselves out."

We, the people, better wake up and see where Bush 2 is taking the country.....


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