Originally Posted by
gilbertaue
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Accor is reading what we're posting. That is why I'm pushing for dialogue here.
Nothing is set in concrete yet.
Accor is reading these comments ??? Oh !
I have basically had my say and am clearly in the minority among regular Accor FT posters but since Accor is reading this thread let me have one more go.
I am based in and only travel in Southeast Asia. There must be many guests like me who use your hotels here (inexpensive market), as well as some other inexpensive markets around the world where you operate. Don't ask me to name those markets because I don't know. Of course there are many luxury properties in Southeast Asia that can get us to Diamond status should we so choose. However in my very happy one year and two and a bit months with Accor (except for IT glitches and useless centralized customer service) I have really enjoyed staying in some really lovely, loyalty friendly properties which I had been planning to return to for long stays after trying them out with short stays last year, as well as trying new (for me) properties in regional and interesting (for me) towns/small cities such as Medan/Palembang/Bandung etc. The dilemma for me is that they are inexpensive (mid-scale such as Novotel Mangga Dua, Jakarta, premium and even a couple of economy brand properties: for example, the new Ibis Styles Siem Reap, Cambodia, with only 112 rooms) so although enjoyable (for me) they will not provide me with many Status Points. If I stay too long in these properties then there is no way I would achieve 26,000 Status Points.
So I still hope that Accor will recognize that frequent stayers may also be profitable (depending on the valuable questions regarding profitability asked by @
CanadaDH above). I also don't know which kinds of properties are more profitable for Accor. On the Marriott board I have read that their Select Service brands are extremely profitable due to lesser costs with regard to staff and facilities etc.
Just a bit of background regarding my individual profile. Boring, I know. I really loved the SPG loyalty programme. My last full year with legacy Starwood properties was 2017 . . . 229 paid nights ranging from Luxury, Premium and Select Service brands . . . concentrating on the individual properties which I liked from experience (management/loyalty culture) as well as trying new properties. But starting in 2017 I could see standards dropping.
So in 2018 I tried Accor for the first time. This was a very unusual year for me with over 300 nights in hotels . . . usually closer to 200. My final paid Stay with the new Marriott was June 2018 and the standards had really dropped. Stopped at about 130 paid Marriott nights last year and then switched to Accor with about 120 nights, but also started redeeming all my Marriott points for nights which I have almost finished doing (about 100 nights because I only used the cheaper Category 2/3 properties which I liked).
Until the announcement of the new 26,000 Points requirement I was all set to use Accor hotels exclusively once my Marriott points are finished (by next month). But now I am not sure. I am a solo traveler. I enjoy Suites as much as everyone else but they are not important to me. Suite upgrades will not make me chase Diamond . . . sometimes I am lucky and sometimes not and that is fine with me. Of course I would very much want Suite upgrades if traveling with family.
My nights with Accor last year were spent in Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore and Cambodia, and included (from memory) two Raffles, one Fairmont, two Sofitels, one So Sofitel, five Pullmans, two Swissotels, two Grand Mercures, about five Mercures, three Novotels, and a few Ibis/Ibis Styles and one All Seasons. This year I have recently completed 60 nights in one Sofitel, and will try another (new for me) Sofitel and Raffles within the next few days.
But the Diamond criteria really presents me with a dilemma. I don't know whether it will increase or decrease my Accor Stays and spending from now on.
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Kaizen07 rightfully points out that certain brands make it easy to achieve 26,000 Status Points but those brands may not necessarily be the most enjoyable for me. Hotel preferences are completely subjective. Many Starwood people love St Regis. I hated that brand finding it boring and pretentious, and didn't give a hoot about the beautiful and massively expensive artwork, marble, decor etc. @
jiunsoh pointed out that it may be more difficult to burn points and still achieve 26,000 Points in inexpensive markets. I am also wondering about being able to take advantage of the various Private and other Sales and still achieve the Status Points. (By the way, I am assuming that inexpensive does not necessarily mean less profitable due to lower operating costs in those markets.)
Maybe I am a bit paranoid but I also do not look forward to keeping track of 26,000 Status Points being posted correctly to my Account, and the time involved in seeking that they are posted.
At this particular point in time, I have not decided which way to go . . . either to aim for 26,000 Status Points or to be satisfied with Platinum and continue to stay exactly where I want to stay (Accor and non-Accor) without worrying about this target. So far I can say that I am still on target with about 10,000 Status Points at the beginning of March.
Of course, it would be easier to decide if the Diamond benefits were already decided.
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Kaizen07 pointed out that the investment required for Accor Diamond is about USD $8,000 cheaper than Marriott's Ambassador service. Although we don't know the Diamond benefits I am also kind of equating these two Status levels. In the traitor thread I mentioned that I have held Starwood/Bonvoy Ambassador status for three years and this will be my last year. In my experience it is absolutely wonderful 50% of the time, and pretty much of no consequence the other 50% of the time (very roughly speaking).
In a nutshell, I hope that Accor will reconsider its decision not to provide a Nights criteria for access to Diamond status. You operate globally, not just in Europe, Japan, Singapore, Australia and other normally expensive markets. And you operate thousands of Premium, Mid-Scale, Economy brand properties. Surely you can come up with a number of Diamond Nights that is profitable for you, and set appropriate Diamond benefits for non-Luxury/Premium brands.
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gilbertue . . . you are a usually a very generous and welcoming fellow . . . why do you believe that number of nights should not be considered for even Platinum status ? Do you think that too many people will do 60 nights at a cheap Ibis and then take advantage of their Platinum status to do many nights at Premium and Luxury brands with an adverse effect on higher spenders ? This is a genuine question. Do you think this is happening and too many people are taking advantage of what you consider to be a loophole ?