@orbitmic, yes I thought this thread was about a new First, not redemptions! There will always be some form of redemption or upgrade I’d bet!

Now back to seat...are they putting these F seats changes in place because the new business seat is going to upset the apple cart and they will need to say “don’t worry F pax we will be upgrading the F seat too plus you’ll this(whatever this is) on the ground which business won’t get”

Will F & J get doors on their suites?