Originally Posted by
david55
All I could find were refurbs on 3rd party sites.
There is no such thing as refurbished Apple products from reseller scumbags. They're ALL *used*, salvaged with broken/stolen parts, financed/blacklisted and tied to deadbeat accounts that some crook has picked up for pennies on the dollar and are now trying to flip selling for just under MSRP and making a killing each time. Seller "refurbished" (especially if volume seller) = USED and very often = scam!
Originally Posted by
david55
They appear to be new and unopened even though they are listed under the Refurb section.
Apple (on that very specific refurbished page) is the only legit place to buy refurbished Apple products. No exceptions (except some local Apple Stores are now selling refurbished Mac minis, YMMV).