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Old Oct 17, 2017, 6:37 pm
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thefunch
 
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Originally Posted by sdsearch
First of all, the credit on a business card is given to you as an individual, not to the business. That's why they demand the SSN, but the EIN is only optional. So there's no CL issue due to the business not really existing.

As to how to fill out the application:

  • Your name as the business name
  • Your address as the business address
  • Your phone as the business phone
  • Years in business = 0
  • Income from business to date = 0
  • Number of employees = minimum (1 since they count you yourself)
  • Sole proprietorship

If you think about it, those are the exact same answers someone would give if they were starting a side consultancy or if they were starting a side reselling business, and they didn't need (or want) an official business name.

If there's no difference discernible between me the individual and me the company (because there's not a different name, address, phone, etc for the two), how can a credit card company (except by "guessing") tell the difference between true business purchases and those that aren't?

The bank (in this case, Amex) doesn't have time for this. They don't care, and in fact they love for you to have a business card because all sorts of "consumer" protections don't apply to business cards.

So it's sort of a trade: Amex loves the fact that we want a card not protected by consumer credit laws, and we love the fact that we can apply for business cards without "really" having a business (to get benefits and/or rewards which are exclusive to those business cards and/or to having applied for only business cards).
(Mods -- last post from me on this since it's OT, but did want to clear up some misunderstandings.)

My point about the application was missed. I know you can submit an app as a sole prop under your own SSN (w/o requesting an EIN) and list $0 revenue, claiming you are starting out with a "side business" or "consultancy." What I was getting at was that I'd expect a big difference between applying for a personal Green card with (for example) $70k personal income vs. a business Green card with $0 revenue -- other posters seem to think AmEx is liberal about small biz CLs, I'll take their word for it. Trading a theoretical $20k personal CL for a $5k business CL just to hide the trade line doesn't seem to be worth the trouble, not to mention the loss of certain consumer protections.

About business vs. personal purchases, I agree that the bank/issuer generally wouldn't know. But I wouldn't want to be in the position of trying to prove that I'm not in violation of the cardmember agreement if I were FR'd, and risk losing all of my accounts. Seems unlikely, but I guess some FTers have more risk tolerance than others
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