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Old Apr 29, 2013, 5:24 am
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WHBM
 
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Originally Posted by jlemon
11) Excellent guesses! ...... the quiz item stated "nonstop service" on the Bordeaux-Pointe a Pitre and Marseille-Pointe a Pitre routes. AF indeed listed a one stop flight on the BOD-PTP route but one had to change aircraft at ORY. Equipment was a B727-200 BOD-ORY and a B747-300 ORY-PTP.

On the other hand, the following airline flew nonstop......

VD 971: ORY-BOD-PTP Op: Thursdays only Equip: A300 in an all coach configuration

VD is (or was) Air Liberte. And yes, that is an interesting two letter airline code (I won't make any French jokes here)!

And as for the other route from Marseille to PTP?

IW 433: ORY-MRS-PTP Op: Thursdays only Equip: DC-10 with business (J) and coach

IW is (or was) AOM French Airlines.
These are interesting routes. Martinique and Guadeloupe are two French islands in the Caribbean, fully part of France (and thus the EU), with the Euro as currency, etc. These routes from France to them are thus regarded as EU domestic flights and regularly distort the statistics presented by these, or lay in wait for airline quiz questions about "EU domestic flights operated by widebodies " ! They have always had an intensive operation by both Air France and the various French independent carriers (as covered here) which seem to come and go over time with little long-term continuity. A quick look for today alone shows nine scheduled widebody flights from Paris to them. These flights unusually, for long-distance flights, still operate from Orly airport in Paris rather than CDG, as they are still seen as domestic, and Air France use a subfleet of their 777-300ER with very high density almost-all economy seating to match the independent holiday operators.

Both Air Liberte and AOM, desribed here in the 1990s, are no longer with us, they were quasi-charter, holiday flight operators. Air Liberte was actually bought up by British Airways in 1997, and the fleet repainted in a variant of the BA livery of the times, the iconic "world tails" livery. BA lost much money on this, so wisely sold them off to Swissair a few years later, who also bought up similarly-lossmaking AOM, merged them, and found they now had two big lossmakers. It all finally collapsed around 2003. Nevertheless, there are always further obscure French independent operators willing to have a go at these high-density routes, so new ones emerged.

Martinique and Guadeloupe are surely unique among Caribbean islands with a huge flight operation from Paris and very little from Miami or other US points. If you don't speak French they are as much of a challenge as going to the non-tourist suburbs of Paris.
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