Mennix, everything is relative. The NEV 1 is absolute garbage, NEV 2 not much better. Obviously AF concurs, otherwise they would not have redesigned it twice since. That added to an inferior soft product makes those worse options than DL's product. Nghtmare? No try KE's current old biz seat ICN-IST or SQ's on some longer routes that they have not updated and then you'll know what a nightmare is.