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Old May 10, 03, 3:43 am   #1
 
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RTW fare from Hongkong with MAS

Recently came across this site and was impressed by its clarity and details. I would like comments on price comparison and advantages/disadvantages from our panel of experts
http://www.malaysiaairlines.com.my/h...cialFares/RTW/
Round The World Fares



Selected Special Economy Class Fares

Free Upgrading

Round The World Fares



FARES :

Ticketed Point Mileage Business Class Economy Class
(TPM) not exceeding : Fare Basis Adult Fare Fare Basis Adult Fare
25,000 CRWWJ25 32,460 YRWWJ25 18,290
30,000 CRWWJ30 36,920 YRWWJ30 20,800
35,000 CRWWJ35 42,460 YRWWJ35 23,900
40,000 CRWWJ40 49,840 YRWWJ40 28,070


CHILD DISCOUNT :

25% off the adult fare for accompanied child between 0-11 years old


PARTICIPATING AIRLINES:

Malaysia Airlines (MH) / Northwest Airlines (NW) / KLM Royal Dutch Airlines (KL) / South African Airways (SA) / Continental Airlines (CO) / Emirates (EK) / Jet Airways India (9W) / Alaska Airlines (AS) / Compania Panamena de Aviacion (CM) / Air Pacific (FJ) / Transavia (HV)* / Kenya Airways (KQ) / Malev - Hungarian Airlines (MA) / Air Europa Lineas Aereas (UX)

* up to 31 March 2003


FLIGHT APPLICATION :

Fares only apply on any MH/NW/KL/9W/AS/CM/CO/EK/FJ/HV/KQ/SA/MA/UX flight EXCEPT:

Carrier Flight Number
AS 800-1999 / 3000-9999.
CM 2000-3999.
CO 2020-2899 / 4380-4399 / 4445-4999 / 9000-9093 / 9090-9664 / 9880-9999.
EK 2000-3999.
CO 4350-4353 / 6000-6999.
FJ 500-501 / 507-508 / 560-561 / 580-581.
HV 1-5999 / 7000-9999.
KL 4400-4449.
MH 9000-9999.
NW 9300-9999.
SA 7000-7699 / 7702-7999.

ROUTING :

Travel requires and is limited to one flight over the Atlantic Ocean and one flight over the Pacific Ocean
Travel must originate and terminate in Hong Kong.
Backtracking within an area is permitted, i.e. stopovers need not be in the same global direction but are subject to the allotted MPM for the journey. However, backtracking between areas is not permitted even if such backtracking fits within the allotted MPM for the journey.
Intermediate surface sectors are permitted and are at passenger’s own expense.
Surface sectors must be included in the mileage.
Higher intermediate rule does not apply.


STOPOVERS :

A minimum of 3 stopovers is required, of which at least 2 must be taken outside country of origin.
Maximum 10 free stopovers permitted.
Exception 1: A maximum of 5 free within Continental U.S. / Alaska / Hawaii / Canada / U.S. Virgin Islands / Puerto Rico / Mexico.
Exception 2: A maximum 2 free in Europe plus 1 additional free in Amsterdam.
Unlimited additional stopovers are permitted at a charge of USD100 per stop. Stopover charges are to be shown on the ticket as “S”
No more than 2 stopovers are allowed at the *same city.
Enroute stopovers are not permitted at *city of origin.
Intermediate surface sectors, from the point in which travel ends to the point in which travel resumes, count as one stopover.
*The following airports will be considered the same city: KUL / SZB NYC / JFK / LGA / EWR / HPN
WAS / BWI / IAD / DCA CHI / ORD / MDW
FLL / PBI / MIA TPA / FMY / SRQ
LAX / ONT / SNA / BUR SFO / OAK / SJC
HOU / IAH OSA / KIX / ITM
LON / LHR / LGW / STN / LCY

UPGRADE SUPPLEMENT :

USD 700 Upgrade from Economy to Business Class on one flight coupon per itinerary.
USD1,000 Upgrade from Business to First Class for each upgrade flight coupon.
USD1,700 Upgrade from Economy to First Class on one flight coupon per itinerary.

Notes:

Upgrade permitted prior to or after ticket issuance.
Upgrade amount to be shown on the ticket as “Q” – shown on the fare ladder after the city where the service is performed and the flight coupon to reflect the upgraded fare basis code.
Applicable to NW/KL only – passenger may upgrade from “M” to “J” when paying the applicable Economy to First class surcharge or “C” to “J” when paying the applicable Business to First class surcharge.
USD150 reissue fee plus the upgrading supplement apply if the upgrade is after ticket issue or after departure.


PERMITTED COMBINATIONS :

Single/double open jaws, round trips, circle trips not permitted
Constructions with add-ons not permitted
End-on-end combinations not permitted


TICKET VALIDITY :

One year

RESERVATIONS / TICKETING :

Reservation for the flight from the point of origin to the first international stopover point must be confirmed prior to departure. Subsequent sectors may be left open and confirmed at any time, subject to availability.
Tickets must be purchased at least 7 days before departure. When reservations are made within 7 days of departure, ticketing is required within 48 hours after booking and at least 1 day prior to departure, whichever occurs first.
When the class of service is not available over a particular portion on the route, the passengers will be accommodated in the next lower class of service. No refund will be made in these cases.
For travel on a Business Class fare where a Business Class compartment is not offered on some flights, the passenger will be accommodated in *Economy Class.
* Exception: For travel within North America/Puerto Rico, passenger will be accommodated in the first class compartment on NW and CO, subject to availability.


Reservation Booking Designator:
Carrier First Business Economy
9W N/A C Y
AS N/A F Q
CM N/A D V
CO N/A D K
EK F J B
FJ N/A D M
HV N/A Y M
KL N/A C M
KQ N/A C M
MH A D* M**
NW N/A C M
SA A Z T
MA N/A D K
UX N/A D M


* Book “C” for travel within Malaysia and between Malaysia and Brunei. Book “F” for travel between Malaysia and Singapore.

** Book “Y” for travel within Malaysia and between Malaysia and Singapore/Brunei.


ENDORSEMENTS :

The original and the reissued tickets must be annotated NONEND/NONREF/RTW APEX in the endorsement box of the ticket.
Endorsements between participating carriers are not required.


CHANGES :

Before departure

Before ticketing deadline - permitted free
After ticketing - fee applies:
Change for outbound flight up to the first international stopover is permitted for a fee of USD150 per transaction provided the new itinerary meets all requirements of the Round-the-World fare and the ticket is reissued at least 1 day prior to original outbound travel date or at least 1 day prior to the new outbound travel date, whichever comes first.
Change to all other flights not requiring ticket reissuance is permitted free of charge.
Changes to all other flights requiring ticket reissuance are subject to a charge of USD150 per transaction plus any additional fare amount required for change in the itinerary. TPM for the new routing must be recalculated from point of origin.
Fees do not apply in the case of death/illness of passenger, immediate family member or travel companion when substantiated by a death/medical certificate issued in the country where the death/illness occurs.
At any time, passenger may upgrade the entire journey from the point of origin to Business Class upon payment of the applicable fare difference plus USD150 change fee.
After departure:

Changes that require ticket reissuance is permitted for a fee of USD150 per transaction plus any additional fare amount required for change in the itinerary. TPM for the new routing must be recalculated from point of origin.
Changes that do not require ticket reissuance are permitted free of charge.
Fees do not apply in the case of death/illness of passenger, immediate family member or travel companion when substantiated by a death/medical certificate issued in the country where the death/illness occurs.
At any time, passenger may upgrade the entire journey, from the point of origin, to Business Class upon payment of the applicable fare difference plus USD150 change fee.


CANCELLATION :

After ticketing:

Cancellation fee equivalent to 10% of fare paid applies.
The non-refundable amount cannot be used towards the purchase of another fare/ticket.
Fees do not apply in the case of death/illness of passenger, immediate family member or travel companion when substantiated by a death/medical certificate issued in the country where the death/illness occurs.
After departure:

The refund, if any, will be the difference between the fares paid and the applicable normal fare for transportation used, less 10 percent.
Fees do not apply in the case of death/illness of passenger, immediate family member or travel companion when substantiated by a death/medical certificate issued in the country where the death/illness occurs.


FREE BAGGAGE ALLOWANCE :

2 pieces of checked baggage for the whole journey.
The sum of the three dimensions shall not exceed 158 cm for each checked baggage.
The maximum weight of any bag shall not be more than 32 kg.


For enquiries, please call MalaysiaAirlines Ticketing Office at 2916 0110 or your favorite travel agent.

All fares, terms and conditions are subject to change without prior notice.

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Old May 10, 03, 4:31 am   #2
 
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Although this is not about Star Alliance RTW tickets, I, as a Star Alliance customer, would find it interesting to understand the differences, advantages and disadvantages of this RTW ticket compared to *A RTW tickets - perhaps it could make a lot of sense to combine two of these. Therefore, thanks for posting this here. It will probably be moved, but I would have never found it if you had not posted it here. Thanks.
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As attorney28 pointed already out, there are no *A carriers participating on this fare, therefore I am moving this thread to Wings. Please continue to discuss this topic here.

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Old May 10, 03, 4:56 am   #4
 
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I would be very curious - since Emirates flies to CAI, is there a pricing for this kind of ticket ex CAI? If it is similarly attractively priced as Star and Oneworld RTW tickets ex CAI, this could be VERY interesting - since the participating airlines here cover very interesting routes (South Africa - South America, Mauritius, Panama, etc...).

How could I find out the rate for this one?
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Thanks for the link. I observed this RTW since a long time - but had no time to do it untill now. The addition of Malev is new (other sites still list the old partners).

The big advantage of this RTW is the coverage of Africa and India. The disadvantage is the weak coverage of South America (COPA) and Australia/New Zealand (Air Pacific).
KLM (see overview) / Northwest / Continental / Malaysian / Alaska / ... FFP are needed. Some "exotic" airlines like Emirates and Air Pacific will require a second FFP - or avoid these airlines.
The cheapest tickets should be available at the known places: South Africa, Egypt, ?.
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Old May 10, 03, 5:42 am   #6
 
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Alright, I just called Continental in the US and it took the agent what seemed like half an hour to figure it out (no kidding http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif), but here are the fares ex CAI and they look extremely good - might be a reason for me not to book my second RTW on Oneworld, actually:

35,000 CRWWJ35 19,400
40,000 CRWWJ40 22,780

That's, as of today, 3,327 Euro for 40,000 miles in business class!!

The 10 stopovers is a bit of a bummer (although one can "buy" additional stopovers for $ 100), but in contrast to Oneworld and Star Alliance, there does not seem to be a maximum segment limit so far!

Now, if someone could quickly find out which of the FFPs involved is the best to

- gain status quickly (does any of them comp Star Gold??)
- gain maximum mileage through hundreds of short flights and huge status boni http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif
- offers the best benefits and rewards,

and

- which of the airlines is recommended to fly on, which ones one should avoid, etc... (I was a CO Elite member a few years ago when I was still flying to Houston on a regular basis and I'm still in the Onepass program and the Flying Dutchman program),

I might be off to flying Wings soon! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

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Old May 10, 03, 5:50 am   #7
 
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If anyone wants to start planning their RTW trip already...(the 35k mile RTW business fare is equivalent to 2,833 Euro!), here is the electronic timetable:

http://www.klm.com/generic/download/...dTimetable.exe

Edit: It does not include all the partner airlines apparently, only KLM and NW...but it comes with a pretty neat screen saver (almost as nice as the Star Alliance screen saver).

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Couldn't find a timetable for Air Pacific, but here is their route map...looks like some nice options there! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

http://www.airpacific.com/holiday/routemap.cfm
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What are the "areas" for the purpose of this fare?
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Here are all the destinations served by Malaysia Airlines - some interesting ones such as Male, Mauritius...

http://www.malaysiaairlines.com.my/t...=de&mode=mas01

Noteworthy also that there are flights CAI-KUL. Also, there are flights CAI-AMS with KLM, so there should be plenty of ways to get out of CAI in both directions with a RTW ticket here.

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Thanks attorney28 for doing such a fantastic work! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/thumbsup.gif
The fare ex CAI really seems worth thinking about. Compared to *Alliance (RTW3) the 40,000 RTW is ca. 4000 EGP / 590 EUR cheaper.
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Thanks Attorney28 You have truly understood the purpose of my posting this thraed and contributed enormously with meticulous research.

We all seem to be mesmerised by Star and One world RTW fares which go on increasing almost to ridiculous levels and pose lots of restrictions. They are also full of either bankrupt or near bankrupt airlines Here is a viable alternative particularly attractive from Cairo, may not be in ultra deluxe airlines such as SQ or bankrupt airlines such as UA or near nakrupt ones such as AA but in good solvent airlines such as Emirates, MAS, CO, NW/KLM and connections within India with Jet and in Africa with Kenyan and SA. I think 2800 and 3300 euros for 35000 and 40000 miles are excellent value and if you need more than 10 stop overs you can always buy them at 100 dollars each
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I just noiced an interesting exception to the stop over limit. It appears an addtional 8 stop overs may be available
"Maximum 10 free stopovers permitted.
Exception 1: A maximum of 5 free within Continental U.S. / Alaska / Hawaii / Canada / U.S. Virgin Islands / Puerto Rico / Mexico.
Exception 2: A maximum 2 free in Europe plus 1 additional free in Amsterdam.
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Is my interpretation correct? there is no way you can avail 8 stop overs in US and Europe and have a total of only 10 stop overs all over the world. I feel you may have 18 stop overs
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by drbala:
I just noiced an interesting exception to the stop over limit. It appears an addtional 8 stop overs may be available
"Maximum 10 free stopovers permitted.
Exception 1: A maximum of 5 free within Continental U.S. / Alaska / Hawaii / Canada / U.S. Virgin Islands / Puerto Rico / Mexico.
Exception 2: A maximum 2 free in Europe plus 1 additional free in Amsterdam.
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Is my interpretation correct? there is no way you can avail 8 stop overs in US and Europe and have a total of only 10 stop overs all over the world. I feel you may have 18 stop overs
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I wish you were right, but I am afraid that this interpretation is not correct. The "exception" is a restriction, not an add-on.

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Quick trivia question...the first one to know (or even have been to) all these airport codes gets a free drink...

The following routing is possible with this RTW ticket - all flights in business class, total cost (excluding taxes and fees) about 3,300 Euro:

CAI-xNBO-SEZ-xNBO-xJNB-CPT-EZE-xPTY-CCS-xPTY-UIO-xPTY-SJO-xPTY-xGUA-xIAH-NAS-xIAH-HNL-xMAJ-xKWA-xKSA-xPNI-xTKK-xGUM-ROR-xMNL-xKUL-MLE-xDXB-CAI

If you want to see how that looks on the map... http://makeashorterlink.com/?D2CF12484

Admittedly, I like exotic locations and beaches... http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif.

I'd probably never really do this one, it's just to show that this RTW seems to offer some interesting routings not possible with the other carriers...
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