New Canadian Routes?
#1
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New Canadian Routes?
I know that YYZ was an epic failure, but those route was over-saturated (AC,UA to SFO and AC,AA to LAX). YYC and YEG only have UA to SFO (YYC has WS seasonal) and WS to LAX (AC from YYC). Could these be options? WestJet and United have monopoly in YEG, so competition could work?
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YEG is a pretty small market at least as far as TB flights are concerned. The YEG-SFO flights are largely feeders to UA flights. YYC is bigger and an AC/WS hub but VX just going in there alone would be a disaster. AC/UA's near-monopoly on SFO-Canada flights is pretty much impenetrable so VX's only hope is to compete with WS on service to LAX. You have to remember that most carriers are operating turboprops or RJs on western TB routes and if there was a market for a mainline competitor AS would have probably jumped on it by now.
I would welcome new VX TB routes but it's only possible if VX can compete with the WS marketing machine which has largely brainwashed the Canadian public. You can't sustain TB routes with only Americans coming to Canada, especially places like YEG which is pretty much a non-destination as far as tourism goes.
I would welcome new VX TB routes but it's only possible if VX can compete with the WS marketing machine which has largely brainwashed the Canadian public. You can't sustain TB routes with only Americans coming to Canada, especially places like YEG which is pretty much a non-destination as far as tourism goes.
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Exactly. WS fares are generally higher than AC/UA/AS/DL with only slightly better service (slightly is key when talking about AC/UA/DL not AS) and a welcome mat when you board. They brainwash us with billboards saying "WestJetters Care!" and a young smiling FA on it. Canadians need to see that some other airlines (VX,AS,WN even B6) are far better.
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I know that YYZ was an epic failure, but those route was over-saturated (AC,UA to SFO and AC,AA to LAX). YYC and YEG only have UA to SFO (YYC has WS seasonal) and WS to LAX (AC from YYC). Could these be options? WestJet and United have monopoly in YEG, so competition could work?
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Exactly. WS fares are generally higher than AC/UA/AS/DL with only slightly better service (slightly is key when talking about AC/UA/DL not AS) and a welcome mat when you board. They brainwash us with billboards saying "WestJetters Care!" and a young smiling FA on it. Canadians need to see that some other airlines (VX,AS,WN even B6) are far better.