To whom do you declare you are taking more than US$10,000 out of the US?
Apr 5, 2008, 10:12 am
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To whom do you declare you are taking more than US$10,000 out of the US?
When coming in, it is obvious - on the form. When leaving, there is no departure procedure, no one to talk to - where do you go?
Apr 5, 2008, 10:20 am
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You have to file a Form 4790 and turn it into a Customs officer at your departure point.
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-prior/f4790--2002.pdf
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-prior/f4790--2002.pdf
Apr 5, 2008, 12:14 pm
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Revised Form
You have to file a Form 4790 and turn it into a Customs officer at your departure point.
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-prior/f4790--2002.pdf
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-prior/f4790--2002.pdf
OP, are you Eliot Spitzer, by any chance?
Apr 5, 2008, 12:35 pm
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That form has been revised and replaced by form 105, http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/ffc105.pdf
OP, are you Eliot Spitzer, by any chance?
OP, are you Eliot Spitzer, by any chance?
Apr 5, 2008, 12:47 pm
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Serious question- with the advent of plastic (and nowadays, there's anonymous, refillable debit cards), unless someone's going to the Middle Of Nowhere, is there any need to carry cash?
(I'm assuming that the OP has some very specific needs, but I just wonder if Joe Rich Traveler ever has to do this any more)
(I'm assuming that the OP has some very specific needs, but I just wonder if Joe Rich Traveler ever has to do this any more)
Apr 5, 2008, 12:57 pm
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Serious question- with the advent of plastic (and nowadays, there's anonymous, refillable debit cards), unless someone's going to the Middle Of Nowhere, is there any need to carry cash?
(I'm assuming that the OP has some very specific needs, but I just wonder if Joe Rich Traveler ever has to do this any more)
(I'm assuming that the OP has some very specific needs, but I just wonder if Joe Rich Traveler ever has to do this any more)
1. You are going to a hotel that only accepts cash. Yes, there are a few. A friend of mine used to go to one in Positano, Italy.
2. You are looking to buy some expensive things abroad, e.g. antiques, jewelry, and want to negotiate a better deal for cash. Note that you could typically not pull $25,000 out of an ATM, at least not my ATM.
Apr 5, 2008, 1:02 pm
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Serious question- with the advent of plastic (and nowadays, there's anonymous, refillable debit cards), unless someone's going to the Middle Of Nowhere, is there any need to carry cash?
(I'm assuming that the OP has some very specific needs, but I just wonder if Joe Rich Traveler ever has to do this any more)
(I'm assuming that the OP has some very specific needs, but I just wonder if Joe Rich Traveler ever has to do this any more)
Is there generally a CBP office / desk in the departure area of US international gateways?
Apr 5, 2008, 1:20 pm
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"US$ Travelers Checks will be perfectly fine for this reason. "
Those count for the $10k too. You'd still need to file the form. The better question is what exactly do they do with it? The amount is also tied not tied to the rate of inflation. In another 10 or 15 years, it will start to be bothersome to more people. It's surprising that the tin foil hat wearers in the security forum aren't making 1000 posts on this every day given that the government is trying to control the movement of people and their money.
Those count for the $10k too. You'd still need to file the form. The better question is what exactly do they do with it? The amount is also tied not tied to the rate of inflation. In another 10 or 15 years, it will start to be bothersome to more people. It's surprising that the tin foil hat wearers in the security forum aren't making 1000 posts on this every day given that the government is trying to control the movement of people and their money.
Apr 5, 2008, 1:55 pm
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I know. That is why I asked about the form and who to give it to. I was responding to another post re: why I couldn't use a credit card, etc.
Apr 5, 2008, 11:09 pm
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The argument is that most legitimate big money goes electronically these days -- that's also why there's no longer $500 or $1000 bills in circulation.
They do have some sort of an office in the departure area, but sometimes it can be hard to find. You can call the local office for how to find them.
Ironically, Spitzer might have gone undiscovered if he has just filled out the forms -- they'd probably have been filed away somewhere and forgotten. What triggered the Feds' notice was "construction", making smaller transactions to avoid the reporting limits, and also a request to take his name off the wire transactions.
They do have some sort of an office in the departure area, but sometimes it can be hard to find. You can call the local office for how to find them.
Ironically, Spitzer might have gone undiscovered if he has just filled out the forms -- they'd probably have been filed away somewhere and forgotten. What triggered the Feds' notice was "construction", making smaller transactions to avoid the reporting limits, and also a request to take his name off the wire transactions.
Apr 6, 2008, 2:19 am
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You have to file a Form 4790 and turn it into a Customs officer at your departure point.
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-prior/f4790--2002.pdf
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-prior/f4790--2002.pdf
Apr 6, 2008, 2:22 am
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Serious question- with the advent of plastic (and nowadays, there's anonymous, refillable debit cards), unless someone's going to the Middle Of Nowhere, is there any need to carry cash?
(I'm assuming that the OP has some very specific needs, but I just wonder if Joe Rich Traveler ever has to do this any more)
(I'm assuming that the OP has some very specific needs, but I just wonder if Joe Rich Traveler ever has to do this any more)
Apr 6, 2008, 2:46 am
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Apr 6, 2008, 2:55 am
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When you check-in, there should be a sign. I might have taken a little more than $10,000 out of the country a number of years ago.