First Time Flying US - No Love in the Lounge...
#16
Join Date: Aug 2010
Programs: AA EXP: : SPG Plat; HH Gold
Posts: 239
Really? Do you have any concept of the number and volume of people, like you, that expect exceptions to be made for the rules and get upset when someone tries to explain why you can't do it?
I literally see people for asking for something almost EVERY time I am checking into a club, easy to spot, the desk agent is stuck trying to help someone who gets emotional really quickly and tries to explain why their request is different than the 10 others in the past hour.
I literally see people for asking for something almost EVERY time I am checking into a club, easy to spot, the desk agent is stuck trying to help someone who gets emotional really quickly and tries to explain why their request is different than the 10 others in the past hour.
#17
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Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: San Diego, CA
Programs: AA ex-EXP, 2MM (ex DL, ex TWA)
Posts: 1,427
One other detail is that the flights to Ireland were paid business.
#18
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Atherton, CA
Programs: UA 1K, AA EXP; Owner, Green Bay Packers
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As I said in my OP, there were my first "US" flights, and we only took them because of the merger. Onboard we were welcomed to "American Airlines", the livery was AA, we have AA PNRs, and the flights were said to be AA. On AA the PNRs could be linked, and I would be fine - what I asked for is routine. Given that background, I think my expectation that AA rules applied is reasonable. And if we are not entitled to sit together in "Preferred" seating then I think we **were** entitled to a different reception, rather than greeting us with "why did you not take care of this earlier," and proceeding downward from there.
One other detail is that the flights to Ireland were paid business.
One other detail is that the flights to Ireland were paid business.
As I said, the agent sounds very poor. In cases like that, it may well be best to break off the interaction and try something else so they don't put something spiteful in the record. On the phone, you can HUACA. At a desk, not so much.
Grab a glance at the agents name tag and email in a complaint, hopefully the agent gets some retraining.
#19
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Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: San Diego, CA
Programs: AA ex-EXP, 2MM (ex DL, ex TWA)
Posts: 1,427
Really? Do you have any concept of the number and volume of people, like you, that expect exceptions to be made for the rules and get upset when someone tries to explain why you can't do it?
I literally see people for asking for something almost EVERY time I am checking into a club, easy to spot, the desk agent is stuck trying to help someone who gets emotional really quickly and tries to explain why their request is different than the 10 others in the past hour.
I literally see people for asking for something almost EVERY time I am checking into a club, easy to spot, the desk agent is stuck trying to help someone who gets emotional really quickly and tries to explain why their request is different than the 10 others in the past hour.
#20
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Join Date: May 2002
Location: Pittsburgh
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btw, continually repeating "my AA trip", "AA announcements", "AA livery" doesn't change who your ticket was purchased from and which rules apply.
#21
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: PHL
Programs: AA ExP, Marriott Amb, National EAE, Hilton Diamond, SPG Plat (RIP), US CP (RIP)
Posts: 2,379
And might only serve to annoy whomever you are asking for assistance from since you were flying US metal under US policies. I'm sure legacy US agents are as equally aggravated with this merger as are we as legacy elites. So yeah, reminding us we are "lesser than" isn't going to win you any extraordinary favors.
#22
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Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: San Diego, CA
Programs: AA ex-EXP, 2MM (ex DL, ex TWA)
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Very true. I purchased the tickets from AA.
#23
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And might only serve to annoy whomever you are asking for assistance from since you were flying US metal under US policies. I'm sure legacy US agents are as equally aggravated with this merger as are we as legacy elites. So yeah, reminding us we are "lesser than" isn't going to win you any extraordinary favors.
#24
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: PHL
Programs: AA ExP, Marriott Amb, National EAE, Hilton Diamond, SPG Plat (RIP), US CP (RIP)
Posts: 2,379
Per the OP a codeshare flight was purchased. Not an AA flight. As someone who flies enough to have elite status AA you surely understand the difference and are aware the merger is not complete.
#25
Join Date: Nov 2006
Programs: AA Plat/1MM
Posts: 546
Last week, I was treated so poorly at the PHL Admirals Club that I actually sent a complaint to AA. The woman working there told me that she was a USAir employee trying to bring AA standards up to the US Airways level. Mrs. Know-it-all knew absolutely nothing and was the least helpful person I had ever encountered at an Admirals Club. The best part was when she tried to convince me that I am not Platinum. I will go out of my way to avoid having to connect in PHL.
#26
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Last week, I was treated so poorly at the PHL Admirals Club that I actually sent a complaint to AA. The woman working there told me that she was a USAir employee trying to bring AA standards up to the US Airways level. Mrs. Know-it-all knew absolutely nothing and was the least helpful person I had ever encountered at an Admirals Club. The best part was when she tried to convince me that I am not Platinum. I will go out of my way to avoid having to connect in PHL.
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#27
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: BOS, PIT
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Last week, I was treated so poorly at the PHL Admirals Club that I actually sent a complaint to AA. The woman working there told me that she was a USAir employee trying to bring AA standards up to the US Airways level. Mrs. Know-it-all knew absolutely nothing and was the least helpful person I had ever encountered at an Admirals Club. The best part was when she tried to convince me that I am not Platinum. I will go out of my way to avoid having to connect in PHL.
#28
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 7,875
It sounds like she's just like most of FT. Rule #1: assume the OP is wrong.
#29
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As I said in my OP, there were my first "US" flights, and we only took them because of the merger. Onboard we were welcomed to "American Airlines", the livery was AA, we have AA PNRs, and the flights were said to be AA. On AA the PNRs could be linked, and I would be fine - what I asked for is routine. Given that background, I think my expectation that AA rules applied is reasonable. And if we are not entitled to sit together in "Preferred" seating then I think we **were** entitled to a different reception, rather than greeting us with "why did you not take care of this earlier," and proceeding downward from there.
One other detail is that the flights to Ireland were paid business.
One other detail is that the flights to Ireland were paid business.
BTW, I agree with the comments that PHL airport and especially US at PHL has its own ingrained bad attitude. Maybe it can be blamed on the city as a whole and its attitude......
#30
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: LHR, SAN
Programs: BA GGL, AA PLT, VS-curious
Posts: 1,487
US phone agents can link PNRs and nonstatus companions inherit the highest status. Be I pretty new to US myself, I've no idea whether this has always been true or if it's an AA policy brought over that not all agents are aware of. Perhaps a phone call could help.
However, I sympathise with the OP. I've hoped for help in various oneworld lounges and have yet to find a lounge team as empowered as the AAngels. The ticketing agents of any OW airline always seem to be able to help, but when flying AA the lounge is THE place to get things done and it's just not so elsewhere. If, in due time, this becomes the way of things throughout the New American, pmUS flyers might might become as used to it as pmAA flyers are now. And be just as annoyed when they find a dragon...
However, I sympathise with the OP. I've hoped for help in various oneworld lounges and have yet to find a lounge team as empowered as the AAngels. The ticketing agents of any OW airline always seem to be able to help, but when flying AA the lounge is THE place to get things done and it's just not so elsewhere. If, in due time, this becomes the way of things throughout the New American, pmUS flyers might might become as used to it as pmAA flyers are now. And be just as annoyed when they find a dragon...