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Why does IAD-JFK still exist?!
The title is the question: Why does IAD-JFK exist? What possible niche can JFK serve the current UA?
Originating in NYC: LGA's closer, and if you like mass transit, EWR is roughly = JFK. While I like JFK more, clearly UA has voted for EWR and isn't changing their mind.
Originating east of Manhattan: If you live in Queens, Brooklyn, or Long Island and want to go somewhere served via IAD instead of going to EWR, isn't LGA a better choice? Lots more service to IAD.
Connecting through to IAD: Are there really that many *Alliance carriers which serve JFK but don't serve IAD and sell connections through to IAD in a meaningful way? And, if your destination is downtown D.C., why not connect to DCA?
Holding some slots at JFK: It's only 4 slot pairs a day. It seems like UA has given up way more slots than that from P.S. service in the last year, although I might be wrong. To say nothing of giving up all the int'l destinations. There's not really an open market for those like LHR, so how sensible is this?
Keeping their JFK T7 gates: No idea what their leases or deals require, but it seems like they're deliberately keeping a lot more gates at JFK T7 than they need. Maybe this is part of the plan?
So, what does FT think? Is there a method to this madness, or is it just madness?
Last edited by iluv2fly; Jan 18, 13 at 6:36 pm..
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Ive taken my fair share of JFK-IAD-JFK but IAD wasnt my destination. Sometimes its to connect to a TATL , dont care much for EWR and didnt want CO metal but wanted UA metal. OK today its pretty much a moot pt, except I can park @ JFK for $5 while away that wont get me even 1 day by EWR
As yrs pass more Intl carriers have added IAD to their list of destinations but plenty still havent and JFK is either the only 1 they go into or 1 of the few, so they feed the
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The title is the question: Why does IAD-JFK exist? What possible niche can JFK serve the current UA?
Originating in NYC: LGA's closer, and if you like mass transit, EWR is roughly = JFK. While I like JFK more, clearly UA has voted for EWR and isn't changing their mind.
Originating east of Manhattan: If you live in Queens, Brooklyn, or Long Island and want to go somewhere served via IAD instead of going to EWR, isn't LGA a better choice? Lots more service to IAD.
Connecting through to IAD: Are there really that many *Alliance carriers which serve JFK but don't serve IAD and sell connections through to IAD in a meaningful way? And, if your destination is downtown D.C., why not connect to DCA?
Holding some slots at JFK: It's only 4 slot pairs a day. It seems like UA has given up way more slots than that from P.S. service in the last year, although I might be wrong. To say nothing of giving up all the int'l destinations. There's not really an open market for those like LHR, so how sensible is this?
Keeping their JFK T7 gates: No idea what their leases or deals require, but it seems like they're deliberately keeping a lot more gates at JFK T7 than they need. Maybe this is part of the plan?
So, what does FT think? Is there a method to this madness, or is it just madness?
I'm flying it tomorrow just because I never go out to JFK and need a change. It is also cheaper to get to JFK or LGA than EWR (don't need to pay NJT). There's only a few Y fares left on my flight too.
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well its $10 for those that dont fly out of JFK enough Do a search for Howard Beach not sure which Forum its in maybe this 1 and Mid-Atlantic
* right now the elevator is broken due to Sandy and who knows when it will be repaired, so if you have alot of bags or heavy ones I dont suggest HB, its a narrow stairwell and with bags in each hand no one can pass you going up or down
There are more than a few lots at EWR now that are under seven bucks a day, parking has been coming down quite a bit there.
Why JFK? I would say
It's easier to get to by public transportation than LGA is, and way less hassle
Getting through security and to the gate is way easier than it is in Newark
Star alliance connections
Hotels you can overnight in without worrying about your car or your safety when you leave at 5 am, unlike Newark
Some people hate New Jersey, and will do whatever they can to not go there
Mass transit is only the same to Newark and JFK if you are at Penn Station. JFK offers far more options on the various subway lines across parts of the city.
There are more than a few lots at EWR now that are under seven bucks a day, parking has been coming down quite a bit there.
Why JFK? I would say
It's easier to get to by public transportation than LGA is, and way less hassle
Getting through security and to the gate is way easier than it is in Newark
Star alliance connections
Hotels you can overnight in without worrying about your car or your safety when you leave at 5 am, unlike Newark
Some people hate New Jersey, and will do whatever they can to not go there
Mass transit is only the same to Newark and JFK if you are at Penn Station. JFK offers far more options on the various subway lines across parts of the city.
Its $8+ when you add in the taxes and surcharges
also that $5 or $10 is the Airtrain charge so its the same if you are gone for 1 day or 10 days. By EWR its $8+ per day plus unless you drive thru lower Manhatten to use the Holland Tunnel its $14 for the VZ and $14 for The Goethels on the way back and you ahve to pay to go NJ-NY no matter how you cut it unless you Path it or Bus it
I think it's an attempt to force legacy JFL UA flights instead of ewr former CO flights. The more I see the fares and flight choices and how hard it is to get a decent seat to the coast on UA from ewr anymore, the clearer the strategy becomes.
I think it's an attempt to force legacy JFL UA flights instead of ewr former CO flights. The more I see the fares and flight choices and how hard it is to get a decent seat to the coast on UA from ewr anymore, the clearer the strategy becomes.
Paranoid or a former CO realist?
Paranoid JFK is a competitive station with AA/DL/B6/VX offering a significant amount of non-stop transcon service. EWR is a fortress hub, and the pricing reflects this.
I think JFK-IAD service has its place in the route network.
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yes, and the perfect launching pad for MRs that don't include EWR with the 500 mile minimum.
Beat me to the punch. The last 5 times I flew this route, I was either on a mileage run or was unable to SDC to IAD-LGA/EWR on an itinerary which priced dramatically cheaper into JFK.
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1. Star Alliance connection. Many Asian airlines do not serves only JFK on the east coast.
2. OD traffic from Long Island, Brooklyn, Queens.
3. Public transportation is easier to JFK.
And I took that flight last month, the load was good. So I don't see why UA would give up on that flight.
JFK is a competitive station with AA/DL/B6/VX offering a significant amount of non-stop transcon service. EWR is a fortress hub, and the pricing reflects this.
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