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Old Dec 20, 12, 6:45 pm   #1
 
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AA Announces JFK-IAH...UA Response?

American has announced JFK-IAH (http://www.aa.com/i18n/urls/newdesti...ions)...wonder what actions (if any) UA will take...

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Old Dec 20, 12, 6:57 pm   #2
 
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Doesn't really compete with UA at all. I doubt UA will start the route, and I doubt there will be an affect on the EWR-IAH fares.
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Old Dec 20, 12, 7:21 pm   #3
 
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AA also announced LAX-RDU, which is an interesting transcon.

I dunno if it's a reaction or just a coincidence, but UA has just filed an LAX-RDU G fare that I see as low as $203 a/i r/t (UA1410 + UA4323 4/30 LAX-IAH-RDU, UA894 + UA894 5/2 RDU-IAD-LAX).
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AA used to fly HOU-LGA, but of course that flight would not have been well-suited for International connections.

I believe DL used to fly the JFK-IAH route, although it may have been a 50 seater.

Jet Blue currently flies HOU-JFK and could provide feeder traffic for AA international flights.

UA did adjust some fares on IAH-EWR when Southwest started flying HOU-EWR. But it is still a very expensive route. I would not expect much response unless UA sees a drop-off in International connecting traffic originating in Houston.
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any effect on UA's LGA-IAH route?
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Old Dec 20, 12, 7:48 pm   #6
 
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any effect on UA's LGA-IAH route?
Fares for one night trips are lower on IAH-LGA. It used to be that only B and Y were offered when staying only one night. Now lower fare classes are available for one night trips.
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I believe DL used to fly the JFK-IAH route, although it may have been a 50 seater.
Pretty sure it was a 70 or 90 when I did it about 7 years ago, but I'm too lazy to check my notes.
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Old Dec 20, 12, 8:47 pm   #8
 
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AA also announced LAX-RDU, which is an interesting transcon.

if i am not mistaken DL flew this route for awhile as well. for a short time in the mid/late-2000's they also had LAX-JAX which was one of my favorite and arguably one of the more obscure transcon routes flown.
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AA used to fly HOU-LGA, but of course that flight would not have been well-suited for International connections.

I believe DL used to fly the JFK-IAH route, although it may have been a 50 seater.

Jet Blue currently flies HOU-JFK and could provide feeder traffic for AA international flights.
CO used to fly JFK-IAH before pulled out of JFK a few years ago.
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why doesn't UA try to push into JFK more? looking at the timetable and UA doesn't seem to fly much out of there. i don't have any proof but my gut tells me both PMCO and PMUA didn't push very hard there either. couple key routes (the p.s. routes for example), but it's predominantly LGA and EWR, even in the pre-merger world, and neither of them look like they tried very hard.

why is that? even after the slots they got from pan am, was this all they had or did they just sort of give up on JFK? no trolling, i just find it kind of curious.
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why doesn't UA try to push into JFK more? ....
EWR
As a hub in the UA system, EWR gets the NYC focus. And with EWR & IAD as the east coast international gateways, there isn't much left for JFK (outside of PS).
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why doesn't UA try to push into JFK more? looking at the timetable and UA doesn't seem to fly much out of there. i don't have any proof but my gut tells me both PMCO and PMUA didn't push very hard there either. couple key routes (the p.s. routes for example), but it's predominantly LGA and EWR, even in the pre-merger world, and neither of them look like they tried very hard.

why is that? even after the slots they got from pan am, was this all they had or did they just sort of give up on JFK? no trolling, i just find it kind of curious.
I don't see the point of pushing hard into JFK. UA has its hub in EWR to serve as the international gateway in the New York area, and LGA handles a lot of NYC O&D domestic traffic, which is so much closer to the city compared to JFK. So why bother going into JFK?
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how come PMUA never pushed hard into JFK?
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Old Dec 20, 12, 10:23 pm   #15
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how come PMUA never pushed hard into JFK?
PMUA essentially abandoned JFK -- multiple threads in the old PMUA thread, just a few

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Why did UA pull out of JFK?
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