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Old Dec 12, 12, 12:06 pm   #1
 
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Need clarification about "Equipment Change"

I looked up a flight from SJC - LGA on the United online timetable and was hoping for some insight into the 2 stops with equipment changes.

Depart:
7:06 a.m. San Jose, CA (SJC)

Arrive:
7:08 p.m. New York, NY (LGA - LaGuardia)
Flight: UA688
Aircraft: Airbus A320

2 Stops. Time on the ground in Denver, CO (DEN) is 46 minutes. Time on the ground in Chicago, IL (ORD - O'Hare) is 1 hour 3 minutes.
Change Planes. Equipment changes in to a Boeing 757-200. Equipment changes in to a Airbus A319.
Equipment changes in to a Boeing 757-200.


It looks like the flight number stays the same throughout but it entails two stops (DEN & ORD) before arriving in LGA. The United site allowed me to book this flight but am not sure if there will be gate change(s) (because of the equipment changes) and, if so, whether I will have enough time to connect.

Would anyone have any experience or knowledge about this? Will there likely be a gate change or will they simply have us deplane, change the aircraft and reboard all at the same gate?

I spoke with a United CSR but, frustratingly, they insisted that this was a non-stop flight even though it shows two stops...probably because the flight numbers never change across segments. As such, they couldn't understand the reason for my question.
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Old Dec 12, 12, 12:12 pm   #2
 
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It will likely be a deplane, go to another gate with a different plane, and board.

Others may have different opinions about the time, but I personally would feel comfortable with 46 in Denver after a SJC flight. If you were doing SFO, maybe not since weather can be tricky. With SJC, you should be okay in my opinion.

I believe, and others can correct me, you will get mileage based on a non-stop flight versus mileage for SJC-DEN + DEN-ORD + ORD-LGA. It will be just SJC-LGA.

If you are within 24 hours, have you looked at any SFO-EWR directs? Or anything with one stop? If it was a great deal for that flight, obviously go with that. But that is definitely a long commute over.
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Old Dec 12, 12, 12:17 pm   #3
 
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I spoke with a United CSR but, frustratingly, they insisted that this was a non-stop flight even though it shows two stops...probably because the flight numbers never change across segments. As such, they couldn't understand the reason for my question.
Are you sure they didn't say "Direct flight" instead of "Non-Stop flight"?

BTW, who'd really want to take a flight that didn't stop?
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Old Dec 12, 12, 12:56 pm   #4
 
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If you are within 24 hours, have you looked at any SFO-EWR directs? Or anything with one stop? If it was a great deal for that flight, obviously go with that. But that is definitely a long commute over.
I would have loved to book a flight to EWR as NJ is my ultimate destination but found a good deal for a Christmas Eve flight going to LGA for under $300pp RT. EWR flights from the Bay Area seem to be consistently $400+ and the difference for 5 passengers seemed to justify the going to LGA and getting a car service to NJ. I agree that the travel time is a bit long but decided that the $$ saving was worth the trade-off.

Thanks for your response to my posting.

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Are you sure they didn't say "Direct flight" instead of "Non-Stop flight"?

BTW, who'd really want to take a flight that didn't stop?
You may be right. I don't recall the their exact phrasing but I do recall that they didn't seem acknowledge that I had a connection at all.

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Old Dec 12, 12, 1:07 pm   #5
 
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You may be right. I don't recall the their exact phrasing but I do recall that they didn't seem acknowledge that I had a connection at all.
Basically it means you'll be getting on 3 different aircraft types with 1 flight #. Also since they are considering SJC - LGA a direct flight without all the extra stops, you will only get mileage if SJC - LGA was a non-stop rather then SJC - DEN - ORD - LGA.

SJC - LGA 2,563 miles
SJC - DEN - ORD - LGA 2,570 miles
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Old Dec 12, 12, 1:08 pm   #6
 
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I would have loved to book a flight to EWR as NJ is my ultimate destination but found a good deal for a Christmas Eve flight going to LGA for under $300pp RT. EWR flights from the Bay Area seem to be consistently $400+ and the difference for 5 passengers seemed to justify the going to LGA and getting a car service to NJ. I agree that the travel time is a bit long but decided that the $$ saving was worth the trade-off.

Thanks for your response to my posting.
I hear you. Its really not that bad considering they are short connection times.

With 5 passengers, you may consider the connection time differently. I don't know how able bodied they are, but age (old or young) may throw it off. I travel mostly solo, so you may only be able to answer that question.

Here are a few other threads about Denver specifically:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...in-thread.html
Short connection in DEN? [Merged]

(Google searching United FlyerTalk Denver Connections to pull up more threads.)
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Old Dec 12, 12, 1:10 pm   #7
 
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Basically it means you'll be getting on 3 different aircraft types with 1 flight #. Also since they are considering SJC - LGA a direct flight without all the extra stops, you will only get mileage if SJC - LGA was a non-stop rather then SJC - DEN - ORD - LGA.

SJC - LGA 2,563 miles
SJC - DEN - ORD - LGA 2,570 miles
I don't see the OP (or anyone else here) caring about 7 miles, quite honestly.

OP - keep looking for possible schedule changes. If that connection in SJC gets lower than DEN's MCT, you can reroute for free.
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Old Dec 12, 12, 1:13 pm   #8
 
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You may be right. I don't recall the their exact phrasing but I do recall that they didn't seem acknowledge that I had a connection at all.
Many folk get snookered into thinking that a "Direct Flight" is a "Non-Stop" because of the same flight number being used all the way through. There have been many threads on this subject with some advocating a mandatory change in the rules to prevent this sort of thing from continuing to occur.

Btw, UA does not charge for the exercise that they are providing to you in DEN & ORD!
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Old Dec 12, 12, 1:21 pm   #9
 
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I don't see the OP (or anyone else here) caring about 7 miles, quite honestly.

OP - keep looking for possible schedule changes. If that connection in SJC gets lower than DEN's MCT, you can reroute for free.
True, but I was pointing out that OP will only be getting mileage if he was actually flying SJC - LGA non-stop, not with all the extra stops in between.
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Old Dec 12, 12, 1:22 pm   #10
 
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OP - keep looking for possible schedule changes. If that connection in SJC gets lower than DEN's MCT, you can reroute for free.
Thanks for the suggestion. Where would I find DEN's MCT?

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Here are a few other threads about Denver specifically:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...in-thread.html
Short connection in DEN? [Merged]

(Google searching United FlyerTalk Denver Connections to pull up more threads.)
Noted with thanks.

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Old Dec 12, 12, 1:36 pm   #11
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Many folk get snookered into thinking that a "Direct Flight" is a "Non-Stop" because of the same flight number being used all the way through. There have been many threads on this subject with some advocating a mandatory change in the rules to prevent this sort of thing from continuing to occur....
Yea, CO used to have a direct DEN-LGW flight (CO34, IIRC) that changed planes at IAH with a rather tight connection time. I had to be careful not to accidentally book it because of a potential misconnect. I think a lot of folks were rudely awakened when CO34 didn't wait on CO34...
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Old Dec 12, 12, 2:11 pm   #12
 
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i'd do a SDC and do sjc-iah-lga, more miles, better connection, less stops etc. i have done that route a few times and it's also an easy upgrade.
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Am I the only one wondering why the OP has to make three plane changes if he's only making two stops?
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Old Dec 12, 12, 2:38 pm   #14
 
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Am I the only one wondering why the OP has to make three plane changes if he's only making two stops?
Yep! You're probably the only one wondering that because he never says that!
Actually he has two plane changes (DEN --- ORD) and three (3) stops (DEN --- ORD --- LGA).

Btw, that' what those ""Quote" things are for at the bottom of everyone's posts, so we can see exactly what you're referring to.
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Old Dec 12, 12, 2:43 pm   #15
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Yep! You're probably the only one wondering that because he never says that!
Actually he has two plane changes (DEN --- ORD) and three (3) stops (DEN --- ORD --- LGA).

Btw, that' what those ""Quote" things are for at the bottom of everyone's posts, so we can see exactly what you're referring to.
I knew exactly what he was referring to...no need to get snarky.

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...2 Stops. Time on the ground in Denver, CO (DEN) is 46 minutes. Time on the ground in Chicago, IL (ORD - O'Hare) is 1 hour 3 minutes.
Change Planes. Equipment changes in to a Boeing 757-200 [At DEN, I presume]. Equipment changes in to a Airbus A319 [At ORD, I presume].
Equipment changes in to a Boeing 757-200 [Ummmm...]...
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