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Old Dec 2, 12, 6:25 am   #1
 
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250000 miles for return Europe to USA???

Hi,

I did some award flights research for our next vacation from Europe to the US in business.

While my other mileage programs offer return flights from 100000 to 120000 miles, United's Mileage plus was at 250000, more than double!

Is this normal?

Did I do something wrong?

Any help or tips?
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Old Dec 2, 12, 6:48 am   #2
 
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Please see this award chart. In business, Europe to the US is 52,500 per person each way as a saver, or 105 per person each way as a standard ticket.

Was it showing for all people in your party (thus giving you a larger number), or is it possible that on the days you selected there were no saver awards available?

If you have some flexibility, use the availability chart (little blue, green, and yellow calendar) that shows up to look at alternate days.

Good luck.

http://www.united.com/web/en-US/cont...re_6_15_v2.pdf

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Old Dec 2, 12, 6:55 am   #3
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Please see this award chart. In business, Europe to the US is 52,500 per person each way as a saver, or 105 per person each way as a standard ticket.

Was it showing for all people in your party (thus giving you a larger number), or is it possible that on the days you selected there were no saver awards available?

If you have some flexibility, use the availability chart (little blue, green, and yellow calendar) that shows up to look at alternate days.

Good luck.

http://www.united.com/web/en-US/cont...re_6_15_v2.pdf
Thanks!

There is no saver award on our dates of travel!

It's terrible, I would pay double the miles as I would with my US Airways Dividend miles or my Swiss Miles and More miles...

I think that I'm going to give up my Mileage plus miles...
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Old Dec 2, 12, 8:00 am   #5
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Thanks!

There is no saver award on our dates of travel!

It's terrible, I would pay double the miles as I would with my US Airways Dividend miles or my Swiss Miles and More miles...

I think that I'm going to give up my Mileage plus miles...
Send your dates/to & from locations and I'm sure the experts on this forum can help you out
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Geneva, Switzerland to Anchorage on june 15th and return on july 6th. 4 travelers.
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Has anyone noticed there is a bit of creep in the amount of Award miles required?
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Old Dec 2, 12, 8:21 am   #8
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Geneva, Switzerland to Anchorage on june 15th and return on july 6th. 4 travelers.
btw, if there are no seats using UA miles - there are no seats using US or LX miles either, its the same inventory - so the fact you say you would pay less is ridiculous.

4 pax is the middle of summer is also almost impossible, but here is an itinerary that will work:

GVA-YUL
YUL-YVR
overnight
YVR-ANC

There are no flights from ANC on Jul.6 available - which is to be expected for that time of the year, however there are 4 seats from Seattle or SFO if you make your own way down there.

SEA-SFO
SFO-FRA
FRA-GVA
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Old Dec 2, 12, 8:23 am   #9
 
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Geneva, Switzerland to Anchorage on june 15th and return on july 6th. 4 travelers.
Those dates are busy travel times, especially the return. Looks like there is availability on Air Canada flights on the outbound, but the return leg isn't showing anything. To get four seats together around that time of year as a saver award is going to be extremely difficult. I'd say either buy the tickets or use rankourabu's suggestion and pay your own way to Seattle for your return trip home.

Also, as had been said, US, Swiss and UA all have the same inventory for these seats, so if you can't book it on one, the others won't have a seat for you either.
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Has anyone noticed there is a bit of creep in the amount of Award miles required?
No, there is absolutely no creep.

There are two levels - a saver level award is almost always available, especially internationally.

Domestically, yes there are a lot of blank spots at busy times - but thats to be expected.
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Old Dec 2, 12, 8:40 am   #11
 
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Please see this award chart. In business, Europe to the US is 52,500 per person each way as a saver, or 105 per person each way as a standard ticket.

Was it showing for all people in your party (thus giving you a larger number), or is it possible that on the days you selected there were no saver awards available?

If you have some flexibility, use the availability chart (little blue, green, and yellow calendar) that shows up to look at alternate days.

Good luck.

http://www.united.com/web/en-US/cont...re_6_15_v2.pdf
This is the wrong chart by the way (as seen in the title of the document) - saver business from US-Europe is 100k.

Either use the interactive tool on the website, or the PDF here: http://www.united.com/web/en-US/cont...2012-03-03.pdf
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Old Dec 2, 12, 8:44 am   #12
 
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[quote=rankourabu;19781570]btw, if there are no seats using UA miles - there are no seats using US or LX miles either, its the same inventory - so the fact you say you would pay less is ridiculous.

There is availability as non-saver awards...

With Swiss Miles and More, the price for a non-saver award is 110 000 for a return flight.

So if there is availability with United, there will be with miles and more too.
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btw, if there are no seats using UA miles - there are no seats using US or LX miles either, its the same inventory - so the fact you say you would pay less is ridiculous.

There is availability as non-saver awards...

With Swiss Miles and More, the price for a non-saver award is 110 000 for a return flight.

So if there is availability with United, there will be with miles and more too.
I believe you are wrong. 110k is a regular *A award (using I inventory across *A partners) and corresponds to Saver awards on United.

One important point - airlines will often offer additional inventory on their own metal at "saver" levels that does not get published to *A partners - this may be what you're seeing on LH.

M&M have additional awards that are available to Senators (http://www.miles-and-more.com/online...l=en&cid=18003) at 150% of the regular award levels, and only on a limited number of airlines (Adria Airways, Austrian Airlines Group, Brussels Airlines, Croatia Airlines, LOT Polish Airlines, Lufthansa and Swiss) - this is equivalent to the standard (non-Saver) awards that UA offers.
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Old Dec 2, 12, 8:57 am   #14
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I believe you are wrong. 110k is a regular *A award (using I inventory across *A partners) and corresponds to Saver awards on United..
I thought I was wrong there for a second

To the original poster - the 110,000 points is for a non-saver coach award - the same as UA btw.

You are looking for 4 seats in the summer with only 6 months to go, sorry, but you will not find SAVER business awards anywhere since its the same inventory (with additional inventory being available for elite)


For example, there are four seats in XN ANC-SFO on Jul.5, that would connect with what I found above - but this is elite only inventory.
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Old Dec 2, 12, 10:53 am   #15
 
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I thought I was wrong there for a second

To the original poster - the 110,000 points is for a non-saver coach award - the same as UA btw.

You are looking for 4 seats in the summer with only 6 months to go, sorry, but you will not find SAVER business awards anywhere since its the same inventory (with additional inventory being available for elite)


For example, there are four seats in XN ANC-SFO on Jul.5, that would connect with what I found above - but this is elite only inventory.
I think I don't understand something.

When I fly Swiss business with miles (miles and more) from Europe to the US, I always pay 110 000 for a return flight. Saver price is usually 60 000 (when there are offers).

So the most expensive return flight in Business is 110 000.

I've never paid more than that... And United's saver Mileage plus price for a return in business is 110 000 while normal price is 220 000 miles.

I find this an awful lot...

For 4 seats, I know it will be difficult so we don't mind if we are 2 on 1 flight and 2 on another...

I only looked at United's availability as miles and more, I need to call them as they are not flying there directly (nor Lufthansa).
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