he went on to say that they were unhappy about finding themselves on youtube, etc. and this is the new policy.
I haven't done any research on this, but have there actually been cases of ATC recordings (or more specifically Ch 9 recordings) being successfully used in any type of litigation?
mods, feel free to merge this into the other if you like, but i felt it deserved its own thread.
was told today by a captain (after i asked about the availability of channel 9) that there was a new policy by the union, and he'd been told by his union rep to keep it off...and '99.9% of pilots will be keeping it off from now on.' he said if you got a management pilot, he'd probably have it on, but otherwise, no.
he went on to say that they were unhappy about finding themselves on youtube, etc. and this is the new policy.
obviously, i'm hoping it wasn't true. he seemed like a nice guy, and i appreciated his taking the time to give me his answer, even if he didn't have it on.
If true, this would be VERY disappointing. It is one of the things I really enjoy about flying on United. sigh
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Write Glenn Tilton, he is the mastermind behind the fly to failure policy of United. Preventive maintenance is pretty much gone. We write things up, if deferrable they are, and the plane will fly around the system for weeks until there is a long maintenance down day to try and fix things.
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We write things up, if deferrable they are, and the plane will fly around the system for weeks until there is a long maintenance down day to try and fix things.
That seems like a reasonable policy from a business standpoint to me... would you rather a couple of broken tray tables or a plane that is delayed for a few hours trying to fix things... every day?
mods, feel free to merge this into the other if you like, but i felt it deserved its own thread.
was told today by a captain (after i asked about the availability of channel 9) that there was a new policy by the union, and he'd been told by his union rep to keep it off...and '99.9% of pilots will be keeping it off from now on.' he said if you got a management pilot, he'd probably have it on, but otherwise, no.
he went on to say that they were unhappy about finding themselves on youtube, etc. and this is the new policy.
obviously, i'm hoping it wasn't true. he seemed like a nice guy, and i appreciated his taking the time to give me his answer, even if he didn't have it on.
Not true. This was a pilot talking about something he obviously had not idea of. There is no union input on CH 9, it is and always has been up to pilot discretion. If you look at the CH 9 thread, you will see that well over 80-90% of the flights have it on, within historical averages.
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All contracts are coming up for renewal soon. Let's hope the unions don't try to put customers on the tracks this time like they did during the "summer from hell" of 2000.
Well, contracts have been open and being negotiated since last year, and United has been at the top of the industry in On-Time numbers. Whether Tilton and his team put customers in a bad situation during negotiations is up to them. Right now I hear they are negotiating with the unions, and I wouldn't expect anything new for a couple years, standard negotiations.
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I haven't done any research on this, but have there actually been cases of ATC recordings (or more specifically Ch 9 recordings) being successfully used in any type of litigation?
So, according to a 2008 WSJ article, there had not been (at that time) any cases against pilots, unions or airlines resulting from ATC recordings (CH 9 or otherwise). A quick search of google and findlaw confirms that this trend has continued through 2009.
Glad to hear from AD that there is no "union action" on Ch9. FWIW, my experiences roughly match what AD cites in the CH 9 Availability thread. Interestingly (or maybe not), I mostly find CH 9 available at either end of the seniority spectrum. In recent memory, I'm ~100% on 744, ~50% on 772, <50% on 763/753/319/320 and > 75% on 737s.
I can't get over the crappy sound systems on the IFE for international flights.
On a recent IAD->FRA I had to listen to both my movie and my rowmate's movie through my headphones.
Do you have any idea how hard it is to focus on watching The Hangover while the dialog and music from Star Trek is playing in German? And it was broadcast through *my* headphones.
Also, I wrote United about the screen in an exit row seat having a broken latch and not staying up. I figured since it was an exit row seat it would be always filled with elites and yet I heard nothing back.
