Yes, position reports are still required. I would be amazed if UAs channel 9 also covered the HF radio, which is where the majority of over water position reports are made. That is until more airlines get SATCOMM
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Yes, position reports are still required. I would be amazed if UAs channel 9 also covered the HF radio, which is where the majority of over water position reports are made. That is until more airlines get SATCOMM
Pilots can route any radio's output to Channel 9. However, it's rare for transoceanic segments to be heard, as most pilots think that pax aren't interested, or else don't want to share the often (what they perceive to be) boring chatter.
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NRT - SFO a few years ago was so fast, the flight info display said we hit 710 -- MPH, not KPH. Fastest I've gone that I'm aware of. Short flight.
One time I had my GPS with me, and we caught a nice tailwind going from SGF-ORD - ground speed was around 700-710. Not too shabby for a CRJ.
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All navaids have a morse code identifier. Some navaids also have a voice. "Seattle VOR"
A navaid can transmit a morse code as easily as an ATIS.
Morse code is no longer required. You can still use CW (Morse Code) or replace it with Phone (Voice). The FCC has now totally removed the CW requirement but there is still an Ident requirement, it is up to the owner of the transmistter to decide what type of Ident they want. CW had been required in the past. Heck, it is not even required for Ham Radio licenses any more and the milatary officially ended CW a few years ago. This was an FCC rule change and it has been a while, although many still like to keep CW as their Ident becuase it is easy to talk over it.
Do you think most of the pilots that hear the CW would even know what the code translated into? Most of the time the CW is at 30+ WPM and there are very few in the US that can decipher CW at more then 5WPM. Besides CW and VOICE there are other modes of Ident, although that is taking the thread off track. Also, as digital radios come out, we may start seeing Ident being done as a data subdevide of the freq so you would not actually hear the Ident, you would only see it on your radio screen (how is that for a odd term... radio screen...)
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FWIW, I'd highly suspect the People's Republic of China for one. In fact, I'd be downright surprised if one were allowed to listen to ATC there.
Pulling up a quote from the top of the list. I flew to PVG late last year, and listened to Ch9 the last hour or so. I was very surprised to hear all ATC speak Chinese to most of the traffic. I thought ATC was always in English, regardless of the nationality of the carrier. ???
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Yes, position reports are still required. I would be amazed if UAs channel 9 also covered the HF radio, which is where the majority of over water position reports are made. That is until more airlines get SATCOMM
UA makes position reports using SATCOM, so Channel 9 is usually not available on oceanic portion of trans-oceanic flights.
For example, my SFO-NRT flight last week had Channel 9 on departure until we reached cruising altitude. It was off while the pilots made their coast-out report on HF (about 5 minutes) and was available again until we passed ANC. Channel 9 wasn't back "on the air" until about a hour out of NRT.
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Pulling up a quote from the top of the list. I flew to PVG late last year, and listened to Ch9 the last hour or so. I was very surprised to hear all ATC speak Chinese to most of the traffic. I thought ATC was always in English, regardless of the nationality of the carrier. ???
In theory (and int'l law,) yes.
In practice, not even close.
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Pulling up a quote from the top of the list. I flew to PVG late last year, and listened to Ch9 the last hour or so. I was very surprised to hear all ATC speak Chinese to most of the traffic. I thought ATC was always in English, regardless of the nationality of the carrier. ???
ATC must be able to speak English but other languages are also allowable. That's why you'll hear French in Quebec and in the Ottawa region.
Captain on PA: Flight attendants, prepare for landing.
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ATC: United 778, there's been a mild earthquake at SFO and they are going to do a visual inspection of the run ...
Purser on PA: In preparation for landing ...
We did two vectors and then were given "clear to land" on runway 28L. Meanwhile other aircraft being handed off to this controller were being given "clear to land".
I hear them more often than not on flights between SFO and FRA/LHR. I'm not sure I've ever been on a flight where Ch 9 was available for departure and arrival but not mid-flight. It's not terribly exciting, but you do hear position reports (and SELCAL tests) from multiple aircraft out there, not just your own.
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It seems whenever Ch 9 is on the purser always wants to hear himself/herself talk and they take forever to finish up their stupid messages. Arg.
What part of the FAA mandated safety announcements constitute a "stupid message". If you have issues with what they are required to say, your complaint is with the FAA, not the Purser.
What part of the FAA mandated safety announcements constitute a "stupid message". If you have issues with what they are required to say, your complaint is with the FAA, not the Purser.
The verbal listing of what movies are available, what beverages are available, how much a cocktail costs, what time it is at your destination city, etc., are probably not required by the FAA and certainly have nothing to do with safety. The OP probably is referring to these since they're right around the switch to departure frequency, rather than the safety announcements, which are on the ground and maybe during a less interesting time. The complaint is probably still not with the Purser but rather with UA's policies on service-related announcements, unless individual crew members are extraneously ad-libbing.
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The OP probably is referring to these since they're right around the switch to departure frequency, rather than the safety announcements, which are on the ground and maybe during a less interesting time.
Actually, safety announcements are required both while in the air and on the ground. The OP was referring to a specific announcement:
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Purser on PA: In preparation for landing ...
This happens to be a cabin preparation announcement and is required by the FAA to be read verbatim. However, I do agree that extraneous ad-libbing is usually far less valuable.
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