Jun 29, 2017, 10:49 am
Last edit by: WineCountryUA
Award redemption changes coming Nov. 1, 2017
http://mileageplusupdates.com/ (Thanks @joelfreak for providing link.) *NEW* November 1, 2017 award chart
TPG has some tables showing changes to redemption costs.
https://thepointsguy.com/2017/06/uni...eryday-awards/
http://mileageplusupdates.com/ (Thanks @joelfreak for providing link.)
- Standard awards being replaced by "EveryDay Award" -- variable pricing
- Some increases in longer haul international premium cabin saver awards (Generally 10% or less if any at all)
- Some decreases on shorter non-stop partner saver flights outside the US
- No changes for North America saver economy
- No-show award redeposit fee $125 -- for everyone, no elite exemption.
- Round the World awards are gone
- No changes in UA/UX/Copa or *A mileage upgrades
TPG has some tables showing changes to redemption costs.
https://thepointsguy.com/2017/06/uni...eryday-awards/
What if I need to change my existing Standard Award on or after November 1, 2017?
Any changes will require a ticket reissue and new pricing and additional fees may apply.
Any changes will require a ticket reissue and new pricing and additional fees may apply.
UA MP award changes 1 Nov 2017 (Everyday award/dynamic price, No RTW, No Show fee,..)
Jun 29, 2017, 12:51 pm
#46
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As per TPG. Looks like there will be mild increases in miles redemption for J & F on certain routes.
For UA redemption, these areas are increasing by 2.5k - 20k more miles.
(South South America, Europe, Central Asia, South Asia, North Asia, Japan, Oceania, Australia/New Zealand)
Partner redemptions have similar increases...
https://thepointsguy.com/2017/06/uni...eryday-awards/
*edit changed wording
For UA redemption, these areas are increasing by 2.5k - 20k more miles.
(South South America, Europe, Central Asia, South Asia, North Asia, Japan, Oceania, Australia/New Zealand)
Partner redemptions have similar increases...
https://thepointsguy.com/2017/06/uni...eryday-awards/
*edit changed wording
Standard Award to Everyday Awards stays the same in J for the West Coast at 90K, but goes up to 110K (from 102.5K) for F!Regards,
RIP...
Jun 29, 2017, 12:51 pm
#47
Join Date: Mar 2008
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Between getting 50% more points on travel with the Sapphire Reserve and a massive amount more with the switch to revenue based RDM, I can't be too upset with a modest increase in the # of miles for saver J redemptions.
When I saw the headline I was expecting much worse.
When I saw the headline I was expecting much worse.
Jun 29, 2017, 1:01 pm
#48
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Dynamic pricing isn't always negative. Sometimes it's nice to have a "semi-saver" award available. Everyone wants a saver award, but if it's not available, there's no other good option (pretty much the story at AA right now). No one wants to pay full price. Dynamic pricing allows for award prices that fall in-between.
Jun 29, 2017, 1:31 pm
#52
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It looks like international J saver award redemptions throughout the board went up by ~5k per one-way?
e.g.
NA-Europe: 57.5k ->60
NA-South Asia: 70k ->75k
NA-South Asia Partner: 80k -> 90k
NA-Japan: 65k -> 70k
NA-Japen Partner: 75k -> 80k
NA-Australia: 70k -> 80k
NA-Australia Partner: 80k -> 90k
I guess it could be worse, but United's really not doing themselves any favours this year in terms of attracting people to it&the program.
e.g.
NA-Europe: 57.5k ->60
NA-South Asia: 70k ->75k
NA-South Asia Partner: 80k -> 90k
NA-Japan: 65k -> 70k
NA-Japen Partner: 75k -> 80k
NA-Australia: 70k -> 80k
NA-Australia Partner: 80k -> 90k
I guess it could be worse, but United's really not doing themselves any favours this year in terms of attracting people to it&the program.
Everyday awards are like AA's AAnytime awards. dynamic with a cap. Savers went up through the board for a bit too, but won't be dynamic and I wouldn't expect this. this essentially just emulates AA.
Jun 29, 2017, 1:34 pm
#53
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Jun 29, 2017, 1:47 pm
#55
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As an economy-class flyer, I'm not unhappy about this. The <800mi intra-EU flights for 8k might interest me. The only J award I might have been interested in was the 30k South Asia to Australia, so it's a shame to see that go. But as devals go, I'm not crying over this one.
Jun 29, 2017, 1:49 pm
#56
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while I am ok with the no show fee, award prices went up on economy saver awards as well.
Inter Island Hawaii went from 6k to 7K.
Some may argue that the cost to the airlines is going up, but remember the cost to obtain miles has also increased especially when they went to RDM based on spend. This is an increase where the novice flyer already had to to spend $5k just for the chance at getting a domestic saver R/T ticket.
I just felt the pot getting warmer....ribbit ribbit!
Inter Island Hawaii went from 6k to 7K.
Some may argue that the cost to the airlines is going up, but remember the cost to obtain miles has also increased especially when they went to RDM based on spend. This is an increase where the novice flyer already had to to spend $5k just for the chance at getting a domestic saver R/T ticket.
I just felt the pot getting warmer....ribbit ribbit!
Last edited by Halo117; Jun 29, 2017 at 2:00 pm
Jun 29, 2017, 1:53 pm
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Yet another customer-unfriendly devaluation from an industry cartel kingpin.
What's the objective, UA, to be as bad as or worse than AA and DL?
What's the objective, UA, to be as bad as or worse than AA and DL?
Jun 29, 2017, 1:56 pm
#59
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The no-show fee is fine, I think that's reasonable.
I don't like the "everyday pricing" but at least thus far, its not egregious and punitive like AA and DL. I was fearing MP would go to the 1c or less per point, and so far we haven't seen that.
I don't like the "everyday pricing" but at least thus far, its not egregious and punitive like AA and DL. I was fearing MP would go to the 1c or less per point, and so far we haven't seen that.
Jun 29, 2017, 1:57 pm
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I'm pretty much expecting that this UA devaluation will mean reduced opportunities to redeem partner airline program miles/points for award travel seats on UA planes.