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Old Sep 17, 2017, 11:00 am
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Originally Posted by ocn2ocn
Thanks, understood from a competitive viewpoint. Strange that the BOS to West Coast market would justify this type of service and Washington would not.
IAD is an afterthought to UA's current management team. One has only to visit the decrepit C/D concourse to see this first hand.
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Old Sep 17, 2017, 12:29 pm
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Originally Posted by halls120
IAD is an afterthought to UA's current management team. One has only to visit the decrepit C/D concourse to see this first hand.
This isn't true and shows a lack of understanding of the entirety of the historical context re: IAD, including the thoughts of UA's "current" management team.

In other words, it's far more complicated than your making out to be.
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Old Sep 17, 2017, 12:38 pm
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Originally Posted by tuolumne
This isn't true and shows a lack of understanding of the entirety of the historical context re: IAD, including the thoughts of UA's "current" management team.

In other words, it's far more complicated than your making out to be.
Fine. The upshot/bottom line of United Air Lines treatment of its passengers who fly transcontinental in and out of IAD is complete neglect since they don't perceive any competition. They've given up on BWI and have no strategy in and out of DCA.

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Old Sep 17, 2017, 2:00 pm
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Originally Posted by ocn2ocn
Thanks, understood from a competitive viewpoint. Strange that the BOS to West Coast market would justify this type of service and Washington would not.
UA has a monopoly in the WAS to California market - no need to change anything.
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Old Sep 17, 2017, 2:19 pm
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Originally Posted by ocn2ocn
Thanks, understood from a competitive viewpoint. Strange that the BOS to West Coast market would justify this type of service and Washington would not.
Originally Posted by findark
UA has a monopoly in the WAS to California market - no need to change anything.
And UA is simply responding to B6 Mint, as well as DL commencing nonstop service. SFO-BOS has been a lucrative, UA-dominated route for years and they're not willing to cede it to B6 and DL.

Also, SFO-BOS draws a fair bit of vc/investment banking traffic, and that's paid J.
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Old Sep 17, 2017, 3:02 pm
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Originally Posted by tuolumne
This isn't true and shows a lack of understanding of the entirety of the historical context re: IAD, including the thoughts of UA's "current" management team.

In other words, it's far more complicated than your making out to be.
Yes, part of the problem at IAD is the inefficient and arguably corrupt MWAA. The other part of the problem is UA's management, who refuse to invest in that hub, because they believe they don't have to.

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Fine. The upshot/bottom line of United Air Lines treatment of its passengers who fly transcontinental in and out of IAD is complete neglect since they don't perceive any competition. They've given up on BWI and have no strategy in and out of DCA.

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exactly.

Originally Posted by findark
UA has a monopoly in the WAS to California market - no need to change anything.
Which underscores my original point - IAD is indeed an afterthought to UA management.
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Old Sep 17, 2017, 3:05 pm
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Originally Posted by findark
UA has a monopoly in the WAS to California market - no need to change anything.
I would agree WRT West Coast-IAD. I strongly disagree WRT West Coast-BWI - WN has taken that one. And AA has the slots and gates in and out of DCA.

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Old Sep 17, 2017, 6:19 pm
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Originally Posted by IAD1k
this! and don't forget montgomery county in MD. of the 10 wealthiest counties in all of the USA, 7 are in the DC area (lobbyists!), so it's mind blowing that UA has not invested more in the DC market for O/D traffic. IAD is very convenient to anyone in wealthy upper NW DC/MD or the wealthy burbs in VA. now regarding the C/D terminal, sure, it can use a major facelift. but they've started with that already. they've improved the food options and the shopping has even improved. it's still night and day with terminal B, but much much better than what it used to be. i don't think transportation to/from IAD is much of a decision factor for locals, especially if you live in those areas. you will either drive (and check out the cars in the lots!) or uber. the train will be nice, but mostly for tourists/spring breakers. i expect they'll run some type of express train at certain time periods.
Alas, only two tracks, not four tracks, on the Silver Line, so no express trains on the DC-Dulles route! Blame WMATA (not MWAA) for that.
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Old Apr 14, 2019, 11:36 pm
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SFO-IAD Domestic "First", Polaris Seats. Polaris Service and lounge access?

I think this is a simple question. I'm booked on a 772 SFO-IAD with Polaris configured seats in whatever they're calling up front -- their website at purchase contradicts itself calling it both First and Business. Does this count as "Polaris Premium Transcontinental"? Does it have improved service? Does it provide Polaris Lounge access? How does one know if their flight is officially Polaris service?

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Old Apr 14, 2019, 11:39 pm
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Originally Posted by solomita
Does this count as "Polaris Premium Transcontinental"? Does it have improved service? Does it provide Polaris Lounge access? How does one know if their flight is officially Polaris service?

Thanks!
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No to all.

There are no domestic itineraries with Polaris Lounge access.

Premium Transcontinental service is available on SFO-BOS/EWR and LAX-EWR only (all flights). It does not include Polaris Lounge access but does include United Club access. Whether or not a given plane has Polaris seats is irrelevant.
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Old Apr 14, 2019, 11:39 pm
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No, it is not. When you buy a ticket, it is sold as “First”, not “Polaris Business”.
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Old Apr 14, 2019, 11:42 pm
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Originally Posted by solomita
I think this is a simple question. I'm booked on a 772 SFO-IAD with Polaris configured seats in whatever they're calling up front -- their website at purchase contradicts itself calling it both First and Business. ....
Domestic First, the reservation should clearly state First.
While this flight may use Polaris seats, it is Domestic First service
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Does this count as "Polaris Premium Transcontinental "? ...
No, that designation is based on the route, not the aircraft, IAD does not have any premium transcontinental flights
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Does it have improved service? ,,,
standard domestic First
Originally Posted by solomita
Does it provide Polaris Lounge access? ...
No
Originally Posted by solomita
How does one know if their flight is officially Polaris service? ...
No
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Old Apr 14, 2019, 11:53 pm
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Brutal answers, but appreciated. 8-)
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Old Apr 15, 2019, 1:13 am
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Originally Posted by solomita
...their website at purchase contradicts itself calling it both First and Business....
There’s no “contradiction”. When you attempt a booking, you specify economy or “First or Business”, which means whatever front cabin is available on route. When you click the latter, you get (as available) “First” for regular domestic, “Business” for Premium Transcontinental or non-Polaris int’l, or “Polaris Business” for UA’s long-haul internations. You clicked “First or Business” combined with a regular domestic route, so you got the appropriate “First” front-cabin designation when you actually purchase a ticket. Nowhere does it say you’re getting Polaris.


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Old Apr 15, 2019, 6:02 am
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Despite IAD being located in one of America's wealthiest metro areas and technology centers, UA continues to view it as "Gubmint workers" and not worthy of a premium transcon service.
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