Lost business fall-out from Flight UA3411
#406
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 674
I have wonder where the people are who aren't flying United. On Monday, I was in a line to go down the escalator to the B 80& 90 gates in Denver. I can't remember a flight with an empty seat and am still hearing GAs asking for volunteers.
If DEN is ever less than packed, I'll let you know.
If DEN is ever less than packed, I'll let you know.
#407
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: DEN
Programs: UA 1MM, MP 1K, Hilton Diamond, Marriott Gold
Posts: 462
#408
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 599
This is anecdotal evidence, but I have seen two facebook friends actually cut back and follow through with not flying on United; one even went so far as to go to AA with no status (and complaining about it, ha). Both travel more than the average person (not 1K level, but at least silver level). Other less frequent travelers have said similar things but I can't tell if they followed through yet.
I am not sure now long this will last long-term but I feel that there will be a definite short-term impact on the bottom line.
I am not sure now long this will last long-term but I feel that there will be a definite short-term impact on the bottom line.
#409
Join Date: Apr 2011
Programs: WN, AA, UA, DL
Posts: 1,313
If UA hasn't seen any material difference in bookings by now, it's likely they never will. The initial irrational outrage is over, and people eventually come back into a rational state of mind for purchasing decisions. Even by the earnings call UA should have seen a difference if it's a major problem. Maybe they did, but they didn't confirm it. So the chances are fair that UA doesn't see any long-term impact from this. Have to remember that so many people "outraged" don't fly anyway. And for those that do, there always other dynamics in pay. Look at how many Delta turned off the week prior because of wrongdoing that actually happened to them. You have potential defectors going from airline to airline, and it generally evens out. If "I'll never fly that airline again" worked, there would be no NK or G4.
#410
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
Programs: UA-1k, 1mm, Marriott-LT Platinum, Hertz-Presidents Circle
Posts: 6,355
My only concern really....-------- I hope this helps my upgrades clear!!!!
#411
Join Date: Apr 2017
Programs: United MileagePlus - Premier Gold, Star Alliance Gold, World of Hyatt Explorist, Avis Preferred Plus
Posts: 141
If UA hasn't seen any material difference in bookings by now, it's likely they never will. The initial irrational outrage is over, and people eventually come back into a rational state of mind for purchasing decisions. Even by the earnings call UA should have seen a difference if it's a major problem. Maybe they did, but they didn't confirm it. So the chances are fair that UA doesn't see any long-term impact from this. Have to remember that so many people "outraged" don't fly anyway. And for those that do, there always other dynamics in pay. Look at how many Delta turned off the week prior because of wrongdoing that actually happened to them. You have potential defectors going from airline to airline, and it generally evens out. If "I'll never fly that airline again" worked, there would be no NK or G4.
1. Price
2. Convenience (direct vs. 1/2 connections)
It's basic human nature.
#412
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 575
I hear it won't affect load factors, but 1-2% of revenue. Well, I keep pricing multiple routes, and am not seeing a 1-2% price decrease. My very anecdotal data (I do have lots of flights tracked on google flights) says pricing is unfortunately holding. Please people book away as I need to purchase many flights and I'd like some better pricing!
#413
Join Date: May 2000
Location: IAH
Programs: UA 1K 2.7MM, Marriott Titanium/LT Plat, IHG Spire
Posts: 3,317
I hear it won't affect load factors, but 1-2% of revenue. Well, I keep pricing multiple routes, and am not seeing a 1-2% price decrease. My very anecdotal data (I do have lots of flights tracked on google flights) says pricing is unfortunately holding. Please people book away as I need to purchase many flights and I'd like some better pricing!
#414
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: New England
Programs: UA 1K; Kimpton Inner Circle, Marriott Platinum; Hilton Diamond
Posts: 51
I'm a 1K but have not seen as many upgrades this year until last week. They were pulling people out of coach to move up to Bus Class seats on my flights from BDL to ORD and ORD to DEN. Then this week 3 out 4 flights I got notified of my Elite Upgrade. That hasn't happened in some time. Maybe it's the time of the year but I think it is in reaction to what everyone is hearing about UA.
#415
Join Date: Nov 2006
Programs: AA Platinum Pro, Marriot Platinum
Posts: 148
OP's original question: We actually are encouraging people to fly UA. I've seen similar scenes played out on several different airlines. The only difference is that all the previous encounters involved adults. UA just got unlucky having to deal with a 69yo male masquerading as a 6 year old. All airlines have similar policies that are enforced variably from time to time. I just wish UA's stock would have dropped a bit lower providing a GREAT buying opportunity for an undervalued stock.
I think its hilarious that some "feel" (no facts just their emotion) UA is so different from all other airlines. Guess what folks. They are not. The better question would be if your company was recommending train or car travel instead of airline travel...
I think its hilarious that some "feel" (no facts just their emotion) UA is so different from all other airlines. Guess what folks. They are not. The better question would be if your company was recommending train or car travel instead of airline travel...
#416
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: RNO
Programs: AA/DL/UA
Posts: 10,766
OP's original question: We actually are encouraging people to fly UA. I've seen similar scenes played out on several different airlines. The only difference is that all the previous encounters involved adults. UA just got unlucky having to deal with a 69yo male masquerading as a 6 year old. All airlines have similar policies that are enforced variably from time to time. I just wish UA's stock would have dropped a bit lower providing a GREAT buying opportunity for an undervalued stock.
I think its hilarious that some "feel" (no facts just their emotion) UA is so different from all other airlines. Guess what folks. They are not. The better question would be if your company was recommending train or car travel instead of airline travel...
I think its hilarious that some "feel" (no facts just their emotion) UA is so different from all other airlines. Guess what folks. They are not. The better question would be if your company was recommending train or car travel instead of airline travel...
#417
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Bay Area, CA
Programs: UA Plat 2MM; AS MVP Gold 75K
Posts: 35,067
There are still people who book away from UA for the SFH some 17 years ago.
There is an impact to UA3411. Is it material? Probably not. But it's enough to warrant several attempts at a proper CEO response.
There is an impact to UA3411. Is it material? Probably not. But it's enough to warrant several attempts at a proper CEO response.
#418
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 350
Maybe bookings will go up since the AA strollergate, or Delta new york meltdown.
#419
Join Date: Apr 2017
Programs: SPG
Posts: 41
I fly private a lot, so I don't have much United status (just gold) and decided to try something else after this incident. I canceled my upcoming trips on United in favor of Virgin and JetBlue. I enjoyed my experience more than I had with United and will continue flying with both of those airlines. I don't fly enough with commercial airlines to really get beneficial status, and I get Silver on United with SPG Platinum anyway.
Edit: Should probably mention that I don't care how my team flies and certainly don't offer an opinion on with what airline they should fly, but I believe they have been following my example and choosing non-United flights as well.
Edit: Should probably mention that I don't care how my team flies and certainly don't offer an opinion on with what airline they should fly, but I believe they have been following my example and choosing non-United flights as well.
Last edited by Eupatoria; Apr 24, 2017 at 5:19 pm
#420
Join Date: Apr 2017
Programs: SPG
Posts: 41
I am actually surprised a company would issue an internal memo requesting a choice of an airline, unless the company is very small and privately owned.