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Statement from United Airlines Regarding Resolution with Dr. David Dao - released 27 April 2017
CHICAGO, April 27, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- We are pleased to report that United and Dr. Dao have reached an amicable resolution of the unfortunate incident that occurred aboard flight 3411. We look forward to implementing the improvements we have announced, which will put our customers at the center of everything we do.
DOT findings related to the UA3411 9 April 2017 IDB incident 12 May 2017

What facts do we know?
  • UA3411, operated by Republic Airways, ORD-SDF on Sunday, April 9, 2017. UA3411 was the second to last flight to SDF for United. AA3509 and UA4771 were the two remaining departures for the day. Also, AA and DL had connecting options providing for same-day arrival in SDF.
  • After the flight was fully boarded, United determined four seats were needed to accommodate crew to SDF for a flight on Monday.
  • United solicited volunteers for VDB. (BUT stopped at $800 in UA$s, not cash). Chose not to go to the levels such as 1350 that airlines have been known to go even in case of weather impacted disruption)
  • After receiving no volunteers for $800 vouchers, a passenger volunteered for $1,600 and was "laughed at" and refused, United determined four passengers to be removed from the flight.
  • One passenger refused and Chicago Aviation Security Officers were called to forcibly remove the passenger.
  • The passenger hit the armrest in the aisle and received a concussion, a broken nose, a bloodied lip, and the loss of two teeth.
  • After being removed from the plane, the passenger re-boarded saying "I need to go home" repeatedly, before being removed again.
  • United spokesman Jonathan Guerin said the flight was sold out — but not oversold. Instead, United and regional affiliate Republic Airlines – the unit that operated Flight 3411 – decided they had to remove four passengers from the flight to accommodate crewmembers who were needed in Louisville the next day for a “downline connection.”

United Express Flight 3411 Review and Action Report - released 27 April 2017

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Internal Communication by Oscar Munoz
Oscar Munoz sent an internal communication to UA employees (sources: View From The Wing, Chicago Tribune):
Dear Team,

Like you, I was upset to see and hear about what happened last night aboard United Express Flight 3411 headed from Chicago to Louisville. While the facts and circumstances are still evolving, especially with respect to why this customer defied Chicago Aviation Security Officers the way he did, to give you a clearer picture of what transpired, I've included below a recap from the preliminary reports filed by our employees.

As you will read, this situation was unfortunately compounded when one of the passengers we politely asked to deplane refused and it became necessary to contact Chicago Aviation Security Officers to help. Our employees followed established procedures for dealing with situations like this. While I deeply regret this situation arose, I also emphatically stand behind all of you, and I want to commend you for continuing to go above and beyond to ensure we fly right.

I do, however, believe there are lessons we can learn from this experience, and we are taking a close look at the circumstances surrounding this incident. Treating our customers and each other with respect and dignity is at the core of who we are, and we must always remember this no matter how challenging the situation.

Oscar

Summary of Flight 3411
  • On Sunday, April 9, after United Express Flight 3411 was fully boarded, United's gate agents were approached by crewmembers that were told they needed to board the flight.
  • We sought volunteers and then followed our involuntary denial of boarding process (including offering up to $1,000 in compensation) and when we approached one of these passengers to explain apologetically that he was being denied boarding, he raised his voice and refused to comply with crew member instructions.
  • He was approached a few more times after that in order to gain his compliance to come off the aircraft, and each time he refused and became more and more disruptive and belligerent.
  • Our agents were left with no choice but to call Chicago Aviation Security Officers to assist in removing the customer from the flight. He repeatedly declined to leave.
  • Chicago Aviation Security Officers were unable to gain his cooperation and physically removed him from the flight as he continued to resist - running back onto the aircraft in defiance of both our crew and security officials.
Email sent to all employees at 2:08PM on Tuesday, April 11.
Dear Team,

The truly horrific event that occurred on this flight has elicited many responses from all of us: outrage, anger, disappointment. I share all of those sentiments, and one above all: my deepest apologies for what happened. Like you, I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight and I deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be mistreated this way.

I want you to know that we take full responsibility and we will work to make it right.

It’s never too late to do the right thing. I have committed to our customers and our employees that we are going to fix what’s broken so this never happens again. This will include a thorough review of crew movement, our policies for incentivizing volunteers in these situations, how we handle oversold situations and an examination of how we partner with airport authorities and local law enforcement. We’ll communicate the results of our review by April 30th.

I promise you we will do better.

Sincerely,

Oscar
Statement to customers - 27 April 2017
Each flight you take with us represents an important promise we make to you, our customer. It's not simply that we make sure you reach your destination safely and on time, but also that you will be treated with the highest level of service and the deepest sense of dignity and respect.

Earlier this month, we broke that trust when a passenger was forcibly removed from one of our planes. We can never say we are sorry enough for what occurred, but we also know meaningful actions will speak louder than words.

For the past several weeks, we have been urgently working to answer two questions: How did this happen, and how can we do our best to ensure this never happens again?

It happened because our corporate policies were placed ahead of our shared values. Our procedures got in the way of our employees doing what they know is right.

Fixing that problem starts now with changing how we fly, serve and respect our customers. This is a turning point for all of us here at United – and as CEO, it's my responsibility to make sure that we learn from this experience and redouble our efforts to put our customers at the center of everything we do.

That’s why we announced that we will no longer ask law enforcement to remove customers from a flight and customers will not be required to give up their seat once on board – except in matters of safety or security.

We also know that despite our best efforts, when things don’t go the way they should, we need to be there for you to make things right. There are several new ways we’re going to do just that.

We will increase incentives for voluntary rebooking up to $10,000 and will be eliminating the red tape on permanently lost bags with a new "no-questions-asked" $1,500 reimbursement policy. We will also be rolling out a new app for our employees that will enable them to provide on-the-spot goodwill gestures in the form of miles, travel credit and other amenities when your experience with us misses the mark. You can learn more about these commitments and many other changes at hub.united.com.

While these actions are important, I have found myself reflecting more broadly on the role we play and the responsibilities we have to you and the communities we serve.

I believe we must go further in redefining what United's corporate citizenship looks like in our society. If our chief good as a company is only getting you to and from your destination, that would show a lack of moral imagination on our part. You can and ought to expect more from us, and we intend to live up to those higher expectations in the way we embody social responsibility and civic leadership everywhere we operate. I hope you will see that pledge express itself in our actions going forward, of which these initial, though important, changes are merely a first step.

Our goal should be nothing less than to make you truly proud to say, "I fly United."

Ultimately, the measure of our success is your satisfaction and the past several weeks have moved us to go further than ever before in elevating your experience with us. I know our 87,000 employees have taken this message to heart, and they are as energized as ever to fulfill our promise to serve you better with each flight and earn the trust you’ve given us.

We are working harder than ever for the privilege to serve you and I know we will be stronger, better and the customer-focused airline you expect and deserve.

With Great Gratitude,

Oscar Munoz
CEO
United Airlines
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UA's Customer Commitment says:
Occasionally we may not be able to provide you with a seat on a specific flight, even if you hold a ticket, have checked in, are present to board on time, and comply with other requirements. This is called an oversale, and occurs when restrictions apply to operating a particular flight safely (such as aircraft weight limits); when we have to substitute a smaller aircraft in place of a larger aircraft that was originally scheduled; or if more customers have checked in and are prepared to board than we have available seats.

If your flight is in an oversale situation, you will not be denied a seat until we first ask for volunteers willing to give up their confirmed seats. If there are not enough volunteers, we will deny boarding to passengers in accordance with our written policy on boarding priority. If you are involuntarily denied boarding and have complied with our check-in and other applicable rules, we will give you a written statement that describes your rights and explains how we determine boarding priority for an oversold flight. You will generally be entitled to compensation and transportation on an alternate flight.

We make complete rules for the payment of compensation, as well as our policy about boarding priorities, available at airports we serve. We will follow these rules to ensure you are treated fairly. Please be aware that you may be denied boarding without compensation if you do not check in on time or do not meet certain other requirements, or if we offer you alternative transportation that is planned to arrive at your destination or first stopover no later than one hour after the planned arrival time of your original flight.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 6:48 am
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 6:48 am
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Originally Posted by PushingTin


It's early, do you have a link to this, a 'shift' key, or do you believe that slander is best served with out capital letters?
a jury found the doctor guilty and he was convicted of 6 counts of felony

Kentucky's medical board revoked his license to practice medicine

(note: link goes to a document on an official website maintained by the State of Kentucky)
http://www.state.ky.us/agencies/kbml...ders/22439.pdf
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 6:49 am
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Originally Posted by simpletastes
What if I was involuntarily downgraded, asked to see a supervisor, and the agent used that as a pretext to call the cops? This is a commercial and customer relations issue, not a safety issue
Asking to see a supervisor is a reasonable request. If after polite engagement from a supervisor you refuse to move out of your premium seat to the newly assigned seat, it may be appropriate pretext to call the cops. I would hope that United, or any other airline, would get several levels of management involved in an attempt to resolve a non-safety issue before determining the passenger needs to be removed from the aircraft.

Originally Posted by halls120
The passenger was wrong to refuse the request/order to deplane. That isn't in serious debate. That he was wrong doesn't in the least bit excuse UA's subsequent actions, from the physical act of removal to their continued tone deaf PR response.
We keep agreeing.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 6:49 am
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Originally Posted by deniah
When United consistently rank last in consumer satisfaction studies, it's pure misfortune they get stuck with bad pax, right?

Could've happened on any airline!!!
United = Comcast of the sky!
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 6:51 am
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Originally Posted by hazelrah
That's the max compensation required for Involuntarily Denied Boarding (IDB). There is no limit to what an airline can offer to get volunteers. In fact the regulations say that a carrier is supposed to ensure to the extent practical that passengers volunteer and are not IDBed.
that's correct. It has a lot to do with the ETA for the passenger's final destination and so forth.

I believe this is the applicable law

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/250.5
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 6:51 am
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Was this an inside job by Delta? DGS contractors make up a lot of UA's ground staff.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 6:52 am
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Originally Posted by fly18725
Asking to see a supervisor is a reasonable request. If after polite engagement from a supervisor you refuse to move out of your premium seat to the newly assigned seat, it may be appropriate pretext to call the cops.
Why? Because the airline said so? Does me being in first class make me more of a safety threat than being in economy class? (Provided I was extremely polite in my refusal to move?)
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 6:52 am
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Originally Posted by worldtrav
Not true, I suggest you read the wiki or read through the the thread. An airline (not just UA) can remove anyone per the COC for overbooking, it is a lawful practice. The business contract you refer to is simply that the air carrier will transport you from point A to point B and nothing else. Technically, it doesn't even have to be on an aircraft as long as they get you to the destination you have "contracted" for they have fulfilled their obligation.
Laws, regulation, and policy are irrelevant in this situation. This is about lack of respect for the customer. A business which treats customers like this deserves to lose customers.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 6:52 am
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Originally Posted by makin'miles
The $1350 is a cash payment and the maximum that United is required to pay (in cash/cheque) for a involuntary denied boarding on a domestic flight.

United is not constrained by law in the amounts of compensation that it can offer to passengers as an incentive to accept a voluntary denied boarding. They could offer ten thousands of dollars in vouchers, free flights, club memberships, lunch with Oscar - anything. Constraints faced by United employees in attracting volunteers are the result of company policies/decisions, not law.
I'd be willing to bet that if UA had offered someone else $1350 cash to voluntarily deplane, they would have found a volunteer.

Originally Posted by fly18725
Asking to see a supervisor is a reasonable request. If after polite engagement from a supervisor you refuse to move out of your premium seat to the newly assigned seat, it may be appropriate pretext to call the cops. I would hope that United, or any other airline, would get several levels of management involved in an attempt to resolve a non-safety issue before determining the passenger needs to be removed from the aircraft.

We keep agreeing.
I know, I'm beginning to get worried.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 6:52 am
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Originally Posted by northwest_buckeye
For all of the United/Munoz backers regarding this flight, how do you get through life being so economically illiterate? This WILL absolutely cost United more than the voucher amounts they should've offered. This is supply and demand at its basic level: Supply (airline seats) was limited at the price point offered (demand) via voucher. At a certain price point, 4 people would find the amount of the voucher offered worthy of changing their travel plans. Problem solved, everyone gets on with their day. Increase the dollar value until the two lines intersect.

Instead, United felt that physically removing and beating a randomly selected passenger would be a better solution. And, by the way, how did this occur after boarding? Personally, I couldn't fly on an airline staffed by employees with IQ's that threaten to hit room temperature on a good day. That's what this whole episode really shows.
Millions to the bottom line.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 6:53 am
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Originally Posted by makin'miles
The $1350 is a cash payment and the maximum that United is required to pay (in cash/cheque) for a involuntary denied boarding on a domestic flight.

United is not constrained by law in the amounts of compensation that it can offer to passengers as an incentive to accept a voluntary denied boarding. They could offer ten thousands of dollars in vouchers, free flights, club memberships, lunch with Oscar - anything. Constraints faced by United employees in attracting volunteers are the result of company policies/decisions, not law.
I'm willing to bet that after this incident many people would be willing to pay for a face to face lunch with Oscar
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 6:53 am
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Originally Posted by Yahillwe
So does that mean he should be treated this way?

Now anyone with a record can be removed forcefully and ones without they can stay?
I think the police could have tried to de escalate the situation.

"Record" or no record, the pilot can have you removed from any flight for basically any reason or no reason at all. It's his/her ship and they have the right to remove you. it happens hundreds of times per year.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 6:53 am
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Originally Posted by Yahillwe
So does that mean he should be treated this way?

Now anyone with a record can be removed forcefully and ones without they can stay?
it "may" explain why he had such a severe reaction to being removed by law enforcement officers...

the police officers probably didn't have time to check his record prior to entering the aircraft. however, if it had been a traffic stop, I wonder how the doctor would have reacted, if ordered out of his vehicle.(after the officer sees his felony convictions)
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 6:54 am
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Well, Reddit's gone in a full anti-United rampage, essentially frontpaging every major controversy that's occurred within the past decade in different subreddits. UA has definitely lost in the court of public opinion at this point. Delta must be giddy that this is distracting from the operational issues they've had in the past week with weather delays/cancellations.

I think this will probably end in a passenger lawsuit against the Chicago Aviation Police and probably United as a third party defendant. If United called the cops then I don't see where a third party claim would stand (they're not liable for the cops behavior), but hey, I'm not a lawyer so maybe I'm missing something here.

The key takeaway is that they will probably be more diligent in clearing oversales before boarding starts and they will probably up the max VDB compensation that agents are authorized to give before resorting to IDB to avoid these sorts of situations.

As far as blaming the passenger or not - UA had the legal right to remove the passenger, the Aviation police handled it poorly, and regardless of legal right or not, United looks horrible in the public optics. They're not going to win the PR battle by repeating the "disruptive passenger was removed" line. The story has already gone way too far out.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 6:54 am
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Originally Posted by alanslegal
Correct, if $800 is not enough ... the airline has discretion to raise it, everyone has a price.
This entire episode is another case of Jeffy's ghost showing up with his lies, inconsistencies, short sightedness and 'take or leave it' interpretation of his customer base. UA really needs to clean house in the C Suite and maybe this will force the board to finally wake up.

Munoz cannot even get his facts straight.

In Munoz's internal memo he states:

"We sought volunteers and then followed our involuntary denial of boarding process (including offering up to $1,000 in compensation) and when we approached one of these passengers to explain apologetically that he was being denied boarding, he raised his voice and refused to comply with crew member instructions."

The other people who accepted what they were offering said the amount was $800. Someone does not have their facts straight, and based on a long history IMHO it is probably UA who cannot even be honest to make them look a less stupid.

Whether these were Republic or mainline employees they should have been granted the ability to get someone off the airplane at whatever price and if they had gotten to just $1200-1400 someone would have likely taken the deal.

UA management has long been taking away the power of line agents to 'fix' situations for fear of revenue loss which has been well documented for a very long time on these boards.

Now UA is finding out very painfully that there is a cost to not trusting your employees and/or giving the power to do their jobs. Centralization has its limits.
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