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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:42 pm
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Statement from United Airlines Regarding Resolution with Dr. David Dao - released 27 April 2017
CHICAGO, April 27, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- We are pleased to report that United and Dr. Dao have reached an amicable resolution of the unfortunate incident that occurred aboard flight 3411. We look forward to implementing the improvements we have announced, which will put our customers at the center of everything we do.
DOT findings related to the UA3411 9 April 2017 IDB incident 12 May 2017

What facts do we know?
  • UA3411, operated by Republic Airways, ORD-SDF on Sunday, April 9, 2017. UA3411 was the second to last flight to SDF for United. AA3509 and UA4771 were the two remaining departures for the day. Also, AA and DL had connecting options providing for same-day arrival in SDF.
  • After the flight was fully boarded, United determined four seats were needed to accommodate crew to SDF for a flight on Monday.
  • United solicited volunteers for VDB. (BUT stopped at $800 in UA$s, not cash). Chose not to go to the levels such as 1350 that airlines have been known to go even in case of weather impacted disruption)
  • After receiving no volunteers for $800 vouchers, a passenger volunteered for $1,600 and was "laughed at" and refused, United determined four passengers to be removed from the flight.
  • One passenger refused and Chicago Aviation Security Officers were called to forcibly remove the passenger.
  • The passenger hit the armrest in the aisle and received a concussion, a broken nose, a bloodied lip, and the loss of two teeth.
  • After being removed from the plane, the passenger re-boarded saying "I need to go home" repeatedly, before being removed again.
  • United spokesman Jonathan Guerin said the flight was sold out — but not oversold. Instead, United and regional affiliate Republic Airlines – the unit that operated Flight 3411 – decided they had to remove four passengers from the flight to accommodate crewmembers who were needed in Louisville the next day for a “downline connection.”

United Express Flight 3411 Review and Action Report - released 27 April 2017

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Internal Communication by Oscar Munoz
Oscar Munoz sent an internal communication to UA employees (sources: View From The Wing, Chicago Tribune):
Dear Team,

Like you, I was upset to see and hear about what happened last night aboard United Express Flight 3411 headed from Chicago to Louisville. While the facts and circumstances are still evolving, especially with respect to why this customer defied Chicago Aviation Security Officers the way he did, to give you a clearer picture of what transpired, I've included below a recap from the preliminary reports filed by our employees.

As you will read, this situation was unfortunately compounded when one of the passengers we politely asked to deplane refused and it became necessary to contact Chicago Aviation Security Officers to help. Our employees followed established procedures for dealing with situations like this. While I deeply regret this situation arose, I also emphatically stand behind all of you, and I want to commend you for continuing to go above and beyond to ensure we fly right.

I do, however, believe there are lessons we can learn from this experience, and we are taking a close look at the circumstances surrounding this incident. Treating our customers and each other with respect and dignity is at the core of who we are, and we must always remember this no matter how challenging the situation.

Oscar

Summary of Flight 3411
  • On Sunday, April 9, after United Express Flight 3411 was fully boarded, United's gate agents were approached by crewmembers that were told they needed to board the flight.
  • We sought volunteers and then followed our involuntary denial of boarding process (including offering up to $1,000 in compensation) and when we approached one of these passengers to explain apologetically that he was being denied boarding, he raised his voice and refused to comply with crew member instructions.
  • He was approached a few more times after that in order to gain his compliance to come off the aircraft, and each time he refused and became more and more disruptive and belligerent.
  • Our agents were left with no choice but to call Chicago Aviation Security Officers to assist in removing the customer from the flight. He repeatedly declined to leave.
  • Chicago Aviation Security Officers were unable to gain his cooperation and physically removed him from the flight as he continued to resist - running back onto the aircraft in defiance of both our crew and security officials.
Email sent to all employees at 2:08PM on Tuesday, April 11.
Dear Team,

The truly horrific event that occurred on this flight has elicited many responses from all of us: outrage, anger, disappointment. I share all of those sentiments, and one above all: my deepest apologies for what happened. Like you, I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight and I deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be mistreated this way.

I want you to know that we take full responsibility and we will work to make it right.

It’s never too late to do the right thing. I have committed to our customers and our employees that we are going to fix what’s broken so this never happens again. This will include a thorough review of crew movement, our policies for incentivizing volunteers in these situations, how we handle oversold situations and an examination of how we partner with airport authorities and local law enforcement. We’ll communicate the results of our review by April 30th.

I promise you we will do better.

Sincerely,

Oscar
Statement to customers - 27 April 2017
Each flight you take with us represents an important promise we make to you, our customer. It's not simply that we make sure you reach your destination safely and on time, but also that you will be treated with the highest level of service and the deepest sense of dignity and respect.

Earlier this month, we broke that trust when a passenger was forcibly removed from one of our planes. We can never say we are sorry enough for what occurred, but we also know meaningful actions will speak louder than words.

For the past several weeks, we have been urgently working to answer two questions: How did this happen, and how can we do our best to ensure this never happens again?

It happened because our corporate policies were placed ahead of our shared values. Our procedures got in the way of our employees doing what they know is right.

Fixing that problem starts now with changing how we fly, serve and respect our customers. This is a turning point for all of us here at United – and as CEO, it's my responsibility to make sure that we learn from this experience and redouble our efforts to put our customers at the center of everything we do.

That’s why we announced that we will no longer ask law enforcement to remove customers from a flight and customers will not be required to give up their seat once on board – except in matters of safety or security.

We also know that despite our best efforts, when things don’t go the way they should, we need to be there for you to make things right. There are several new ways we’re going to do just that.

We will increase incentives for voluntary rebooking up to $10,000 and will be eliminating the red tape on permanently lost bags with a new "no-questions-asked" $1,500 reimbursement policy. We will also be rolling out a new app for our employees that will enable them to provide on-the-spot goodwill gestures in the form of miles, travel credit and other amenities when your experience with us misses the mark. You can learn more about these commitments and many other changes at hub.united.com.

While these actions are important, I have found myself reflecting more broadly on the role we play and the responsibilities we have to you and the communities we serve.

I believe we must go further in redefining what United's corporate citizenship looks like in our society. If our chief good as a company is only getting you to and from your destination, that would show a lack of moral imagination on our part. You can and ought to expect more from us, and we intend to live up to those higher expectations in the way we embody social responsibility and civic leadership everywhere we operate. I hope you will see that pledge express itself in our actions going forward, of which these initial, though important, changes are merely a first step.

Our goal should be nothing less than to make you truly proud to say, "I fly United."

Ultimately, the measure of our success is your satisfaction and the past several weeks have moved us to go further than ever before in elevating your experience with us. I know our 87,000 employees have taken this message to heart, and they are as energized as ever to fulfill our promise to serve you better with each flight and earn the trust you’ve given us.

We are working harder than ever for the privilege to serve you and I know we will be stronger, better and the customer-focused airline you expect and deserve.

With Great Gratitude,

Oscar Munoz
CEO
United Airlines
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Occasionally we may not be able to provide you with a seat on a specific flight, even if you hold a ticket, have checked in, are present to board on time, and comply with other requirements. This is called an oversale, and occurs when restrictions apply to operating a particular flight safely (such as aircraft weight limits); when we have to substitute a smaller aircraft in place of a larger aircraft that was originally scheduled; or if more customers have checked in and are prepared to board than we have available seats.

If your flight is in an oversale situation, you will not be denied a seat until we first ask for volunteers willing to give up their confirmed seats. If there are not enough volunteers, we will deny boarding to passengers in accordance with our written policy on boarding priority. If you are involuntarily denied boarding and have complied with our check-in and other applicable rules, we will give you a written statement that describes your rights and explains how we determine boarding priority for an oversold flight. You will generally be entitled to compensation and transportation on an alternate flight.

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Man pulled off of overbooked flight UA3411 (ORD-SDF) 9 Apr 2017 {Settlement reached}

Old Apr 11, 2017, 8:58 pm
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Originally Posted by leungy18
Now he's got way, way, way more press and leverage than he ever would. Good for him!
Yes. If there was no video and FB, he would just be a voiceless victim of UA and excessive force. Power to Social Media!
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 8:58 pm
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Originally Posted by DrPSB
We will see change. But it won't be because of people like you and I, who do what we are told. It will be because this gentleman refused to give in when he felt he was being treated unfairly and would suffer some harm by complying. Bravery or foolishness, this guy will make a difference that we'll benefit from.
Things will be changing all right. Quite honestly I think United will now become a much better airline. They are gonna have to.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 8:59 pm
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Originally Posted by porciuscato
False. It happens every day on airlines that have poor planning. It doesn't happen every day on well-run airlines. On my local flights, United/UAX often schedules turnarounds under 30 minutes. That leaves 0 scope for weather, ATC, or anything else going even a little bit wrong. It also leaves 0 time for cleaning the aircraft, which is why they're so bloody filthy.



A false choice. There's a third option: you can actually plan ahead a little so that you don't get trapped in a corner like this. This is basic stuff that every business has to do. I'm not sure why United is incapable.
They had to get that Flight crew to Louisville at that time in order to have them ready for flights in Morning due to Hours of Service Laws. They were running through the airport to the gate to make that flight. Flying deadhead still counts against Hours of Service laws.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 9:00 pm
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Originally Posted by c2cflyer
They don't have to pay $1350. They have to pay 4X the fare of the ticket held by the bumped passenger. On a 1-hour flight like this one, that compensation due could have been as low as $250 total (4x $75)

The offer of a $1000 VDB is extremely high and well above the norm that United offers which starts around $125. (IE: Not being 'cheap')
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 9:00 pm
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Things will be changing all right. Quite honestly I think United will now become a much better airline. They are gonna have to.
It's difficult to imagine how they could sink further. That said, if any airline is capable of sinking further by their own actions, it's United.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 9:00 pm
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That the pax has already retained Tom Demetrio, one of chicago's elite high-end (some call them ambulance chasers) "PI attorneys" may impact thinking (perhaps add another bullet point to the wiki?).... It's payday time, already, apparently.

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Old Apr 11, 2017, 9:01 pm
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Just saw in the news that the flight wasn't even overbooked. So the whole IDB argument goes out the window. United is so screwed on this one:

http://fortune.com/2017/04/11/united...booked-flight/
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 9:01 pm
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Agreed. A good lawyer would know enough to advise the airline to raise the $$ offer.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 9:01 pm
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Originally Posted by Kacee
So buy them a ticket on another carrier. Or swap in a larger aircraft. Or pay the money necessary to get volunteers.

The idea that an airline has an inalienable right to boot paid passengers from their seats to accommodate its own employees is flat-out offensive and a very large part of why this thing has blown up on UA. The tone-deafness here is just staggering.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 9:02 pm
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...and for a bit of levity

http://www.duffelblog.com/2017/04/pe...#ixzz4dyTa4M1Q
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 9:02 pm
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Then UA violated the law, or at least DOT regulations which require that IDB compensation be paid in money, not UA vouchers and a hotel room.
They are also required to provide, in writing, his IDB rights. By not providing this, they violated the law - technically, he was not IDB-ed - just tossed.

Now, you can say, he really was already boarded, not IDB-ed. I tend to agree with that. But as United didn't bother to carry out the legally mandated IDB procedure, its pretty clear they didnt believe it either.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 9:04 pm
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Originally Posted by aerosexual
Can United passengers build a class action lawsuit? I know this elderly man is not the first man to be wronged by United; there's a reason why this story has become so far reaching and resonated with so many people. Then United would be really SOL and hopefully it'll inspire government reform so airlines don't have carte blanche to do what they do.
This is something that Congress should address, but they are almost totally useless. The problem with class actions is that the class action attorneys in the long run are the only ones that really get any true benefit.

Trump is going to be in town this week. If I was younger I would be on Southern Blvd. when President Trump is driving by from the Airport, with a red stop sign that said: "Stop United Airlines." It may not get the president's attention, but bring more attention to the need to address airline issues if the TV stations covered the signs.

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Old Apr 11, 2017, 9:04 pm
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I'd like like to point out -- that this thread was started 3:26 am EST April 10th and it is now 11:04 pm EST April 11th.

We have averaged one post every 42.72 seconds for approximately 44 hours straight.

This is not your usual DYKWIA or leggingsgate. He stood up to UA and may actually have the power to effect change. He would have no leverage or demand if he had simply left the plane.

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Old Apr 11, 2017, 9:05 pm
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Originally Posted by PrivatePilot
Just saw in the news that the flight wasn't even overbooked. So the whole IDB argument goes out the window. United is so screwed on this one:

http://fortune.com/2017/04/11/united...booked-flight/
Actually, TMK, IDB still applies. It was for an operational reason, not oversales, but you can still be IDB'd for operational reasons. The deadheaders had higher priority to travel, ahead of those on the flight.

The whole "they didn't overbook it" argument is a red herring IMHO. The GA handled it horribly, but ultimately, those deadheaders were going to get to SDF, and it meant someone on the plane wasn't going. UA needed to sweeten the pot, or of course handle it before the pax had all already boarded (sheesh, yeah, the crew ran, but surely someone at ORD knew they were on their way before boarding concluded?!).
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So let's look at all this another way. Why is everyone so steadfast on rules, why is there no flexbility?, why does it seem there is a lack of common sense or a commitment to empowering employees to do the right thing. The answer is of course - Wall St. When you are committed to only growing profits, when profits come before people and customers this is what happens. Can't give someone a fair VDB offer, or a just compensation for a downgrade, can't fairly respect the loyalty of long-time customers, don't invest in IT systems to make sure the airline ops run smooth (apparently this is the real culprit in this weekend's Delta debacle) it is all due to the pressure Wall St puts on companies to be run for Wall St's benefit and not for the business of serving their customers, employees and communities. And the Big 3 airlines are shining examples of firms that hate their customers and employees because that is what Wall St wants. This will keep happening on UA and AA and Delta too until things change.
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