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Statement from United Airlines Regarding Resolution with Dr. David Dao - released 27 April 2017
CHICAGO, April 27, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- We are pleased to report that United and Dr. Dao have reached an amicable resolution of the unfortunate incident that occurred aboard flight 3411. We look forward to implementing the improvements we have announced, which will put our customers at the center of everything we do.
DOT findings related to the UA3411 9 April 2017 IDB incident 12 May 2017

What facts do we know?
  • UA3411, operated by Republic Airways, ORD-SDF on Sunday, April 9, 2017. UA3411 was the second to last flight to SDF for United. AA3509 and UA4771 were the two remaining departures for the day. Also, AA and DL had connecting options providing for same-day arrival in SDF.
  • After the flight was fully boarded, United determined four seats were needed to accommodate crew to SDF for a flight on Monday.
  • United solicited volunteers for VDB. (BUT stopped at $800 in UA$s, not cash). Chose not to go to the levels such as 1350 that airlines have been known to go even in case of weather impacted disruption)
  • After receiving no volunteers for $800 vouchers, a passenger volunteered for $1,600 and was "laughed at" and refused, United determined four passengers to be removed from the flight.
  • One passenger refused and Chicago Aviation Security Officers were called to forcibly remove the passenger.
  • The passenger hit the armrest in the aisle and received a concussion, a broken nose, a bloodied lip, and the loss of two teeth.
  • After being removed from the plane, the passenger re-boarded saying "I need to go home" repeatedly, before being removed again.
  • United spokesman Jonathan Guerin said the flight was sold out — but not oversold. Instead, United and regional affiliate Republic Airlines – the unit that operated Flight 3411 – decided they had to remove four passengers from the flight to accommodate crewmembers who were needed in Louisville the next day for a “downline connection.”

United Express Flight 3411 Review and Action Report - released 27 April 2017

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Internal Communication by Oscar Munoz
Oscar Munoz sent an internal communication to UA employees (sources: View From The Wing, Chicago Tribune):
Dear Team,

Like you, I was upset to see and hear about what happened last night aboard United Express Flight 3411 headed from Chicago to Louisville. While the facts and circumstances are still evolving, especially with respect to why this customer defied Chicago Aviation Security Officers the way he did, to give you a clearer picture of what transpired, I've included below a recap from the preliminary reports filed by our employees.

As you will read, this situation was unfortunately compounded when one of the passengers we politely asked to deplane refused and it became necessary to contact Chicago Aviation Security Officers to help. Our employees followed established procedures for dealing with situations like this. While I deeply regret this situation arose, I also emphatically stand behind all of you, and I want to commend you for continuing to go above and beyond to ensure we fly right.

I do, however, believe there are lessons we can learn from this experience, and we are taking a close look at the circumstances surrounding this incident. Treating our customers and each other with respect and dignity is at the core of who we are, and we must always remember this no matter how challenging the situation.

Oscar

Summary of Flight 3411
  • On Sunday, April 9, after United Express Flight 3411 was fully boarded, United's gate agents were approached by crewmembers that were told they needed to board the flight.
  • We sought volunteers and then followed our involuntary denial of boarding process (including offering up to $1,000 in compensation) and when we approached one of these passengers to explain apologetically that he was being denied boarding, he raised his voice and refused to comply with crew member instructions.
  • He was approached a few more times after that in order to gain his compliance to come off the aircraft, and each time he refused and became more and more disruptive and belligerent.
  • Our agents were left with no choice but to call Chicago Aviation Security Officers to assist in removing the customer from the flight. He repeatedly declined to leave.
  • Chicago Aviation Security Officers were unable to gain his cooperation and physically removed him from the flight as he continued to resist - running back onto the aircraft in defiance of both our crew and security officials.
Email sent to all employees at 2:08PM on Tuesday, April 11.
Dear Team,

The truly horrific event that occurred on this flight has elicited many responses from all of us: outrage, anger, disappointment. I share all of those sentiments, and one above all: my deepest apologies for what happened. Like you, I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight and I deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be mistreated this way.

I want you to know that we take full responsibility and we will work to make it right.

It’s never too late to do the right thing. I have committed to our customers and our employees that we are going to fix what’s broken so this never happens again. This will include a thorough review of crew movement, our policies for incentivizing volunteers in these situations, how we handle oversold situations and an examination of how we partner with airport authorities and local law enforcement. We’ll communicate the results of our review by April 30th.

I promise you we will do better.

Sincerely,

Oscar
Statement to customers - 27 April 2017
Each flight you take with us represents an important promise we make to you, our customer. It's not simply that we make sure you reach your destination safely and on time, but also that you will be treated with the highest level of service and the deepest sense of dignity and respect.

Earlier this month, we broke that trust when a passenger was forcibly removed from one of our planes. We can never say we are sorry enough for what occurred, but we also know meaningful actions will speak louder than words.

For the past several weeks, we have been urgently working to answer two questions: How did this happen, and how can we do our best to ensure this never happens again?

It happened because our corporate policies were placed ahead of our shared values. Our procedures got in the way of our employees doing what they know is right.

Fixing that problem starts now with changing how we fly, serve and respect our customers. This is a turning point for all of us here at United – and as CEO, it's my responsibility to make sure that we learn from this experience and redouble our efforts to put our customers at the center of everything we do.

That’s why we announced that we will no longer ask law enforcement to remove customers from a flight and customers will not be required to give up their seat once on board – except in matters of safety or security.

We also know that despite our best efforts, when things don’t go the way they should, we need to be there for you to make things right. There are several new ways we’re going to do just that.

We will increase incentives for voluntary rebooking up to $10,000 and will be eliminating the red tape on permanently lost bags with a new "no-questions-asked" $1,500 reimbursement policy. We will also be rolling out a new app for our employees that will enable them to provide on-the-spot goodwill gestures in the form of miles, travel credit and other amenities when your experience with us misses the mark. You can learn more about these commitments and many other changes at hub.united.com.

While these actions are important, I have found myself reflecting more broadly on the role we play and the responsibilities we have to you and the communities we serve.

I believe we must go further in redefining what United's corporate citizenship looks like in our society. If our chief good as a company is only getting you to and from your destination, that would show a lack of moral imagination on our part. You can and ought to expect more from us, and we intend to live up to those higher expectations in the way we embody social responsibility and civic leadership everywhere we operate. I hope you will see that pledge express itself in our actions going forward, of which these initial, though important, changes are merely a first step.

Our goal should be nothing less than to make you truly proud to say, "I fly United."

Ultimately, the measure of our success is your satisfaction and the past several weeks have moved us to go further than ever before in elevating your experience with us. I know our 87,000 employees have taken this message to heart, and they are as energized as ever to fulfill our promise to serve you better with each flight and earn the trust you’ve given us.

We are working harder than ever for the privilege to serve you and I know we will be stronger, better and the customer-focused airline you expect and deserve.

With Great Gratitude,

Oscar Munoz
CEO
United Airlines
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Occasionally we may not be able to provide you with a seat on a specific flight, even if you hold a ticket, have checked in, are present to board on time, and comply with other requirements. This is called an oversale, and occurs when restrictions apply to operating a particular flight safely (such as aircraft weight limits); when we have to substitute a smaller aircraft in place of a larger aircraft that was originally scheduled; or if more customers have checked in and are prepared to board than we have available seats.

If your flight is in an oversale situation, you will not be denied a seat until we first ask for volunteers willing to give up their confirmed seats. If there are not enough volunteers, we will deny boarding to passengers in accordance with our written policy on boarding priority. If you are involuntarily denied boarding and have complied with our check-in and other applicable rules, we will give you a written statement that describes your rights and explains how we determine boarding priority for an oversold flight. You will generally be entitled to compensation and transportation on an alternate flight.

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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:37 pm
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Originally Posted by EWR764
(who is actually identifiable if you know where to look... should be redacted) entered that information.
I thought the same thing. The Doxx'ing will commence on some website soon sadly. The most generous assessment is that is what they were told by the parties + law enforcement and that is what they wrote.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:37 pm
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Dragging a passenger off the plane reminds me of Trump saying " get him out, get him out of here" during the campaign. It's now a legitimate procedure.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:38 pm
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Originally Posted by caverunner17
Stock is almost back to what it closed at yesterday.
Didn't take a big drop yesterday?
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:39 pm
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Sad to still see people bring up the person's past in context where it is completely irrelevant. Do I preface addressing people by what they did in the past? If this person did drugs and theft, and did the time, do I say "Hey Mr. druggie and thief " all the time? Would you like it if people dug up your wrongdoings and used them as if that invalidated your position?

No wonder we have such an issue with our prison systems today...
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:39 pm
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Originally Posted by aceflyer2
Too late. He should resign immediately.
Yup. And he's still lying about the flight being overbooked.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:40 pm
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Originally Posted by Ber2dca
Of course United could have avoided the situation but it happened because various factors combined to create a perfect storm. 100s of regrettable B.S. situations happen in the course of a day in any organization with a lot of staff. I know because I've seen it myself, in big public institutions, in mid-sized businesses and in massive mega corps.

The thing that turned this from an every day occurrence of tough luck to such a big story was the dude's aberrant behavior. Behavior we know now is quite typical of the man in question.
If you say it is a perfect storm it is unavoidable, no matter what you do. So why do you say United could have avoided it?

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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:40 pm
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Originally Posted by GadgetFreak
Didn't take a big drop yesterday?
No
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:41 pm
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It's interesting that the passengers who were, oh yeah, on the plane said the doc was calm & not belligerent (well until LEO started pulling him out of his seat & dragging him down the aisle). So UA & LEO, who would have a stake in passing the blame, say he was belligerent, but witnesses say not.

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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:41 pm
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Originally Posted by GadgetFreak
Didn't take a big drop yesterday?
Nope. Closed almost 1% up. Dropped 5% or so this morning we're back to -1.55% from close yesterday. Most likely it will close around $71.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:41 pm
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Originally Posted by brentford77
what relevance whatsoever does that have to the issue in question? That's correct. None.

I just bioked a trip trip where I had a United or Virgin America choice. Decision now made for me.
I don't know if it's relevant. But it's out there and reported by reputable sources. So it will become part of this soap opera.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:41 pm
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Originally Posted by EWR764
Pilots are contractually guaranteed a cabin seat on deadhead legs are part of a pairing, and they have the right to a seat at the expense of a revenue passenger. If they want to be a "team player" and give up their cabin seat for an open cockpit jumpseat, that's their prerogative, but they are not required to do so. In fact, I know pilots who wouldn't do it, as they are contractually entitled to a cabin seat. Not right or wrong, but that's the bargain to which the company and the union agreed.
I could give a crap what two other parties have worked out between them. UA can tell it's pilots they get to ride me like a pony between gates.

Looks like United is finally owning it. My guess is that the reports tonight were going to be why that crew had to get on that plane at the last minute, or all the other ways that they could have gotten the crew or passengers there if they hadn't been cheap. UA got rocked by the first wave and their new best friends in the new PR company probably showed them the light.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:41 pm
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Originally Posted by works2r
I think you are misunderstanding the point.

being requested by an LEO to get off of an aircraft is a lawful order.
Are you sure? Can you provide any legal support for that? I'm genuinely curious. I don't think anyone can be given an order backed up by the use of force without probable cause of a crime taking place, and I can't see any crime here, unless the pilot demands that the man be removed. (And then the pilot had better have a worthy cause or the manure truck will be dumping on him next.)
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:42 pm
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Originally Posted by ShutteLag
the passenger was an ex-con who was convicted by a jury on 6 felony counts of drug trafficking charges.(doctor selling prescription drugs for money and sex)... goes to show that he had very little regard for law enforcement.

would you want your wife or kids to sit next to him on a plane?
What does this have to do with him being kicked off the airplane?
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:42 pm
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Originally Posted by GrayAnderson
A thought: Given his restricted license, etc., I wonder if he wasn't in a genuine panic over missing a day of work? There are employers out there who would fire you if you were dead because you didn't schedule it in advance (well, at least figuratively speaking) and it's entirely possible that whomever he worked for had him on a very short leash and he knew it. I know other people for whom the looming threat of being fired would cause a panic reaction.

No, it might not result in perfectly rational actions on his part, but he's also a human being, not a Cylon. When placed in stressful situations, people do melt down on occasion...
This was my thought too when I skimmed the posted material about his history.
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Originally Posted by SteveHK
UA employee here. Literally just got this in my inbox addressed to all employees.

Dear Team,

The truly horrific event that occurred on this flight has elicited many responses from all of us: outrage, anger, disappointment. I share all of those sentiments, and one above all: my deepest apologies for what happened. Like you, I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight and I deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be mistreated this way.

I want you to know that we take full responsibility and we will work to make it right.

It’s never too late to do the right thing. I have committed to our customers and our employees that we are going to fix what’s broken so this never happens again. This will include a thorough review of crew movement, our policies for incentivizing volunteers in these situations, how we handle oversold situations and an examination of how we partner with airport authorities and local law enforcement. We’ll communicate the results of our review by April 30th.

I promise you we will do better.

Sincerely,

Oscar


My sense in two decades of dealing with C-suite folks is that the first, knee-jerk response is usually more reflective of their genuine thoughts and feelings. While Tuesday's email from Munoz strikes a more reasonable tone with regards to the gravity of the situation and backtracks a bit from UA's denial of culpability, the damage (especially with Monday's internal email) has been done and continues to resonate. Blaming the victim was a terrible strategy to deploy publicly--by both Munoz and Bethune, among other proxies.

At this juncture, unless Munoz commits to full transparency with regards to how selection of IDB happens generally at UA and specifically in this case, I fear it will not quell the perception that the passenger was in part targeted due to his race. This perception is ricocheting through Asian mass and social media in part due to dramatically varying accounts. Thus far, we've read accounts that varies from "random picks" to "algorithm selected" to mystery computer determination to gate agent determination to manifest notations to the passenger previously volunteering but withdrawing after hearing the next flight won't be until the next day. Which is it and is it in line with the established UA IDB procedure? UA needs to address this before the 4/30 self-imposed deadline to (hopefully) quell the ugly rumors.
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