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Statement from United Airlines Regarding Resolution with Dr. David Dao - released 27 April 2017
CHICAGO, April 27, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- We are pleased to report that United and Dr. Dao have reached an amicable resolution of the unfortunate incident that occurred aboard flight 3411. We look forward to implementing the improvements we have announced, which will put our customers at the center of everything we do.
DOT findings related to the UA3411 9 April 2017 IDB incident 12 May 2017

What facts do we know?
  • UA3411, operated by Republic Airways, ORD-SDF on Sunday, April 9, 2017. UA3411 was the second to last flight to SDF for United. AA3509 and UA4771 were the two remaining departures for the day. Also, AA and DL had connecting options providing for same-day arrival in SDF.
  • After the flight was fully boarded, United determined four seats were needed to accommodate crew to SDF for a flight on Monday.
  • United solicited volunteers for VDB. (BUT stopped at $800 in UA$s, not cash). Chose not to go to the levels such as 1350 that airlines have been known to go even in case of weather impacted disruption)
  • After receiving no volunteers for $800 vouchers, a passenger volunteered for $1,600 and was "laughed at" and refused, United determined four passengers to be removed from the flight.
  • One passenger refused and Chicago Aviation Security Officers were called to forcibly remove the passenger.
  • The passenger hit the armrest in the aisle and received a concussion, a broken nose, a bloodied lip, and the loss of two teeth.
  • After being removed from the plane, the passenger re-boarded saying "I need to go home" repeatedly, before being removed again.
  • United spokesman Jonathan Guerin said the flight was sold out — but not oversold. Instead, United and regional affiliate Republic Airlines – the unit that operated Flight 3411 – decided they had to remove four passengers from the flight to accommodate crewmembers who were needed in Louisville the next day for a “downline connection.”

United Express Flight 3411 Review and Action Report - released 27 April 2017

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Internal Communication by Oscar Munoz
Oscar Munoz sent an internal communication to UA employees (sources: View From The Wing, Chicago Tribune):
Dear Team,

Like you, I was upset to see and hear about what happened last night aboard United Express Flight 3411 headed from Chicago to Louisville. While the facts and circumstances are still evolving, especially with respect to why this customer defied Chicago Aviation Security Officers the way he did, to give you a clearer picture of what transpired, I've included below a recap from the preliminary reports filed by our employees.

As you will read, this situation was unfortunately compounded when one of the passengers we politely asked to deplane refused and it became necessary to contact Chicago Aviation Security Officers to help. Our employees followed established procedures for dealing with situations like this. While I deeply regret this situation arose, I also emphatically stand behind all of you, and I want to commend you for continuing to go above and beyond to ensure we fly right.

I do, however, believe there are lessons we can learn from this experience, and we are taking a close look at the circumstances surrounding this incident. Treating our customers and each other with respect and dignity is at the core of who we are, and we must always remember this no matter how challenging the situation.

Oscar

Summary of Flight 3411
  • On Sunday, April 9, after United Express Flight 3411 was fully boarded, United's gate agents were approached by crewmembers that were told they needed to board the flight.
  • We sought volunteers and then followed our involuntary denial of boarding process (including offering up to $1,000 in compensation) and when we approached one of these passengers to explain apologetically that he was being denied boarding, he raised his voice and refused to comply with crew member instructions.
  • He was approached a few more times after that in order to gain his compliance to come off the aircraft, and each time he refused and became more and more disruptive and belligerent.
  • Our agents were left with no choice but to call Chicago Aviation Security Officers to assist in removing the customer from the flight. He repeatedly declined to leave.
  • Chicago Aviation Security Officers were unable to gain his cooperation and physically removed him from the flight as he continued to resist - running back onto the aircraft in defiance of both our crew and security officials.
Email sent to all employees at 2:08PM on Tuesday, April 11.
Dear Team,

The truly horrific event that occurred on this flight has elicited many responses from all of us: outrage, anger, disappointment. I share all of those sentiments, and one above all: my deepest apologies for what happened. Like you, I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight and I deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be mistreated this way.

I want you to know that we take full responsibility and we will work to make it right.

It’s never too late to do the right thing. I have committed to our customers and our employees that we are going to fix what’s broken so this never happens again. This will include a thorough review of crew movement, our policies for incentivizing volunteers in these situations, how we handle oversold situations and an examination of how we partner with airport authorities and local law enforcement. We’ll communicate the results of our review by April 30th.

I promise you we will do better.

Sincerely,

Oscar
Statement to customers - 27 April 2017
Each flight you take with us represents an important promise we make to you, our customer. It's not simply that we make sure you reach your destination safely and on time, but also that you will be treated with the highest level of service and the deepest sense of dignity and respect.

Earlier this month, we broke that trust when a passenger was forcibly removed from one of our planes. We can never say we are sorry enough for what occurred, but we also know meaningful actions will speak louder than words.

For the past several weeks, we have been urgently working to answer two questions: How did this happen, and how can we do our best to ensure this never happens again?

It happened because our corporate policies were placed ahead of our shared values. Our procedures got in the way of our employees doing what they know is right.

Fixing that problem starts now with changing how we fly, serve and respect our customers. This is a turning point for all of us here at United – and as CEO, it's my responsibility to make sure that we learn from this experience and redouble our efforts to put our customers at the center of everything we do.

That’s why we announced that we will no longer ask law enforcement to remove customers from a flight and customers will not be required to give up their seat once on board – except in matters of safety or security.

We also know that despite our best efforts, when things don’t go the way they should, we need to be there for you to make things right. There are several new ways we’re going to do just that.

We will increase incentives for voluntary rebooking up to $10,000 and will be eliminating the red tape on permanently lost bags with a new "no-questions-asked" $1,500 reimbursement policy. We will also be rolling out a new app for our employees that will enable them to provide on-the-spot goodwill gestures in the form of miles, travel credit and other amenities when your experience with us misses the mark. You can learn more about these commitments and many other changes at hub.united.com.

While these actions are important, I have found myself reflecting more broadly on the role we play and the responsibilities we have to you and the communities we serve.

I believe we must go further in redefining what United's corporate citizenship looks like in our society. If our chief good as a company is only getting you to and from your destination, that would show a lack of moral imagination on our part. You can and ought to expect more from us, and we intend to live up to those higher expectations in the way we embody social responsibility and civic leadership everywhere we operate. I hope you will see that pledge express itself in our actions going forward, of which these initial, though important, changes are merely a first step.

Our goal should be nothing less than to make you truly proud to say, "I fly United."

Ultimately, the measure of our success is your satisfaction and the past several weeks have moved us to go further than ever before in elevating your experience with us. I know our 87,000 employees have taken this message to heart, and they are as energized as ever to fulfill our promise to serve you better with each flight and earn the trust you’ve given us.

We are working harder than ever for the privilege to serve you and I know we will be stronger, better and the customer-focused airline you expect and deserve.

With Great Gratitude,

Oscar Munoz
CEO
United Airlines
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Occasionally we may not be able to provide you with a seat on a specific flight, even if you hold a ticket, have checked in, are present to board on time, and comply with other requirements. This is called an oversale, and occurs when restrictions apply to operating a particular flight safely (such as aircraft weight limits); when we have to substitute a smaller aircraft in place of a larger aircraft that was originally scheduled; or if more customers have checked in and are prepared to board than we have available seats.

If your flight is in an oversale situation, you will not be denied a seat until we first ask for volunteers willing to give up their confirmed seats. If there are not enough volunteers, we will deny boarding to passengers in accordance with our written policy on boarding priority. If you are involuntarily denied boarding and have complied with our check-in and other applicable rules, we will give you a written statement that describes your rights and explains how we determine boarding priority for an oversold flight. You will generally be entitled to compensation and transportation on an alternate flight.

We make complete rules for the payment of compensation, as well as our policy about boarding priorities, available at airports we serve. We will follow these rules to ensure you are treated fairly. Please be aware that you may be denied boarding without compensation if you do not check in on time or do not meet certain other requirements, or if we offer you alternative transportation that is planned to arrive at your destination or first stopover no later than one hour after the planned arrival time of your original flight.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:20 pm
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Originally Posted by trouble747
It's a complete reversal of their initial PR strategy.
Two days to apologize to the man. Two days. Crocodile tears over stock price.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:20 pm
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Originally Posted by Ber2dca
There's no evidence for that. We have seen evidence the person has been criminal and prone to problematic conduct in the past.
Because that excuses UA's actions.

Oh wait.

I don't know what you're trying to accomplish by bashing the victim. Desperation in defending UA, perhaps?
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:21 pm
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Originally Posted by trouble747
It's a complete reversal of their initial PR strategy.
probably realized another waste of $$ by having paid for the wrong PR firm the first go-around
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:21 pm
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Originally Posted by Ber2dca
There's no evidence for that. We have seen evidence the person has been criminal and prone to problematic conduct in the past.
You seem to think that his history somehow relieves him of his rights? He might not be able to have a firearm or vote or whatever, but in this case he still has rights, which seem to have been violated.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:21 pm
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Originally Posted by deniah
And simultaneously the pax is being proverbially bashed for expressing his "opinion" against being unjustly offloaded, even if the 10000s of prior IDB went by peacefully?
the passenger was an ex-con who was convicted by a jury on 6 felony counts of drug trafficking charges.(doctor selling prescription drugs for money and sex)... goes to show that he had very little regard for law enforcement.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:21 pm
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How long before UA files chapter 11?
might have to be beaten and dragged to court.........
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:22 pm
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Originally Posted by toadman
How long before UA files chapter 11?
Hopefully they file for Chapter 11 after this poor man is able to sue them.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:22 pm
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Originally Posted by makin'miles
DOT or Congress should just raise the minimum IDB threshold to $3000, cash only, with no basis on a ticket price.

I bet that would drop the number of IBD's to below one hundred a year, as airlines would actually have an incentive to get volunteers.

Congress is a bunch of free marketers, so let the market decide what the price is going to be to get on the plane, and what its going to be for the airline to get you off...
Congress is a bunch of free marketers

Let's just allow foreign carriers to operate domestic flights.

UA and AA would get their .... together very quickly.

But yes, raise the IDB price to $3000 cash. No conditions.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:22 pm
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Originally Posted by Klimo
You seem to think that his history somehow relieves him of his rights? He might not be able to have a firearm or vote or whatever, but in this case he still has rights, which seem to have been violated.


the passenger was an ex-con who was convicted by a jury on 6 felony counts of drug trafficking charges.(doctor selling prescription drugs for money and sex)... goes to show that he had very little regard for law enforcement.

would you want your wife or kids to sit next to him on a plane?
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:22 pm
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PASSENGER ATTEMPTED TO STRIKE LAW ENFORCEMENT

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An individual on an aircraft in the special aircraft jurisdiction of the United States who, by assaulting or intimidating a flight crew member or flight attendant of the aircraft, interferes with the performance of the duties of the member or attendant or lessens the ability of the member or attendant to perform those duties, or attempts or conspires to do such an act, shall be fined under title 18, imprisoned for not more than 20 years, or both.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:23 pm
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Originally Posted by makin'miles
DOT or Congress should just raise the minimum IDB threshold to $3000, cash only, with no basis on a ticket price.

I bet that would drop the number of IBD's to below one hundred a year, as airlines would actually have an incentive to get volunteers.

Congress is a bunch of free marketers, so let the market decide what the price is going to be to get on the plane, and what its going to be for the airline to get you off...
The negative repercussions of that to consumers and producers would be far larger than the savings of fewer IDBs. Airlines would overbook less, leading to higher costs, lower supply, and higher fares. Crews wouldn't be able to deadhead late, leading to more delays and cancellations. Etc.

Crazy high IDB caps aren't the answer.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:23 pm
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Originally Posted by The smallest state
Hopefully they file for Chapter 11 after this poor man is able to sue them.
that will just make him look like an ex-con drug trafficker who wants a big payday.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:25 pm
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Originally Posted by makin'miles
DOT or Congress should just raise the minimum IDB threshold to $3000, cash only, with no basis on a ticket price.

I bet that would drop the number of IBD's to below one hundred a year, as airlines would actually have an incentive to get volunteers.

Congress is a bunch of free marketers, so let the market decide what the price is going to be to get on the plane, and what its going to be for the airline to get you off...
Yes, I don't disagree, [off-topic discussion apt to OMNI-PR edited by Moderator.]

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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:25 pm
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Originally Posted by ShutteLag
the passenger was an ex-con who was convicted by a jury on 6 felony counts of drug trafficking charges.(doctor selling prescription drugs for money and sex)... goes to show that he had very little regard for law enforcement.

would you want your wife or kids to sit next to him on a plane?
Probably not, though I don't see your point? He's a [moderator edit] person. Ok. were his rights violated, regardless? Seems like they were.

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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:26 pm
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Originally Posted by Ber2dca
I think the conclusion is totally legitimate. The moral outrage brigade is ignoring the various signs that point to this guy acting in a bizarre and unhinged fashion. The personal background is merely an explanation for why this guy's behavior was off.

People live such sheltered lives. Guess what, this guy didn't get especially rough treatment. If the cops had given him a good kicking while on the ground, I'd be the first to scream police brutality. But if someone wedged in a difficult to access position 'plays dead', he's asking to be dragged off. You do what you gotta do to get the guy moving. You don't stand there and offer the guy some extra cash or negotiate for hours. Life has to go on and it will go on even if you have to be carried off.
The court of public opinion has already reached a different verdict. In the mind of the public a elderly doctor who had patients to see was dragged down the isle while bleeding. The general public is not going to feel it is justified to remove someone once they are on the plane. Regulations, laws, and policy became irrelevant as soon as the video was posted online. in the minds of the general public, all of them are this passenger and United is the ogre.
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