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Statement from United Airlines Regarding Resolution with Dr. David Dao - released 27 April 2017
CHICAGO, April 27, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- We are pleased to report that United and Dr. Dao have reached an amicable resolution of the unfortunate incident that occurred aboard flight 3411. We look forward to implementing the improvements we have announced, which will put our customers at the center of everything we do.
DOT findings related to the UA3411 9 April 2017 IDB incident 12 May 2017

What facts do we know?
  • UA3411, operated by Republic Airways, ORD-SDF on Sunday, April 9, 2017. UA3411 was the second to last flight to SDF for United. AA3509 and UA4771 were the two remaining departures for the day. Also, AA and DL had connecting options providing for same-day arrival in SDF.
  • After the flight was fully boarded, United determined four seats were needed to accommodate crew to SDF for a flight on Monday.
  • United solicited volunteers for VDB. (BUT stopped at $800 in UA$s, not cash). Chose not to go to the levels such as 1350 that airlines have been known to go even in case of weather impacted disruption)
  • After receiving no volunteers for $800 vouchers, a passenger volunteered for $1,600 and was "laughed at" and refused, United determined four passengers to be removed from the flight.
  • One passenger refused and Chicago Aviation Security Officers were called to forcibly remove the passenger.
  • The passenger hit the armrest in the aisle and received a concussion, a broken nose, a bloodied lip, and the loss of two teeth.
  • After being removed from the plane, the passenger re-boarded saying "I need to go home" repeatedly, before being removed again.
  • United spokesman Jonathan Guerin said the flight was sold out — but not oversold. Instead, United and regional affiliate Republic Airlines – the unit that operated Flight 3411 – decided they had to remove four passengers from the flight to accommodate crewmembers who were needed in Louisville the next day for a “downline connection.”

United Express Flight 3411 Review and Action Report - released 27 April 2017

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Internal Communication by Oscar Munoz
Oscar Munoz sent an internal communication to UA employees (sources: View From The Wing, Chicago Tribune):
Dear Team,

Like you, I was upset to see and hear about what happened last night aboard United Express Flight 3411 headed from Chicago to Louisville. While the facts and circumstances are still evolving, especially with respect to why this customer defied Chicago Aviation Security Officers the way he did, to give you a clearer picture of what transpired, I've included below a recap from the preliminary reports filed by our employees.

As you will read, this situation was unfortunately compounded when one of the passengers we politely asked to deplane refused and it became necessary to contact Chicago Aviation Security Officers to help. Our employees followed established procedures for dealing with situations like this. While I deeply regret this situation arose, I also emphatically stand behind all of you, and I want to commend you for continuing to go above and beyond to ensure we fly right.

I do, however, believe there are lessons we can learn from this experience, and we are taking a close look at the circumstances surrounding this incident. Treating our customers and each other with respect and dignity is at the core of who we are, and we must always remember this no matter how challenging the situation.

Oscar

Summary of Flight 3411
  • On Sunday, April 9, after United Express Flight 3411 was fully boarded, United's gate agents were approached by crewmembers that were told they needed to board the flight.
  • We sought volunteers and then followed our involuntary denial of boarding process (including offering up to $1,000 in compensation) and when we approached one of these passengers to explain apologetically that he was being denied boarding, he raised his voice and refused to comply with crew member instructions.
  • He was approached a few more times after that in order to gain his compliance to come off the aircraft, and each time he refused and became more and more disruptive and belligerent.
  • Our agents were left with no choice but to call Chicago Aviation Security Officers to assist in removing the customer from the flight. He repeatedly declined to leave.
  • Chicago Aviation Security Officers were unable to gain his cooperation and physically removed him from the flight as he continued to resist - running back onto the aircraft in defiance of both our crew and security officials.
Email sent to all employees at 2:08PM on Tuesday, April 11.
Dear Team,

The truly horrific event that occurred on this flight has elicited many responses from all of us: outrage, anger, disappointment. I share all of those sentiments, and one above all: my deepest apologies for what happened. Like you, I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight and I deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be mistreated this way.

I want you to know that we take full responsibility and we will work to make it right.

It’s never too late to do the right thing. I have committed to our customers and our employees that we are going to fix what’s broken so this never happens again. This will include a thorough review of crew movement, our policies for incentivizing volunteers in these situations, how we handle oversold situations and an examination of how we partner with airport authorities and local law enforcement. We’ll communicate the results of our review by April 30th.

I promise you we will do better.

Sincerely,

Oscar
Statement to customers - 27 April 2017
Each flight you take with us represents an important promise we make to you, our customer. It's not simply that we make sure you reach your destination safely and on time, but also that you will be treated with the highest level of service and the deepest sense of dignity and respect.

Earlier this month, we broke that trust when a passenger was forcibly removed from one of our planes. We can never say we are sorry enough for what occurred, but we also know meaningful actions will speak louder than words.

For the past several weeks, we have been urgently working to answer two questions: How did this happen, and how can we do our best to ensure this never happens again?

It happened because our corporate policies were placed ahead of our shared values. Our procedures got in the way of our employees doing what they know is right.

Fixing that problem starts now with changing how we fly, serve and respect our customers. This is a turning point for all of us here at United – and as CEO, it's my responsibility to make sure that we learn from this experience and redouble our efforts to put our customers at the center of everything we do.

That’s why we announced that we will no longer ask law enforcement to remove customers from a flight and customers will not be required to give up their seat once on board – except in matters of safety or security.

We also know that despite our best efforts, when things don’t go the way they should, we need to be there for you to make things right. There are several new ways we’re going to do just that.

We will increase incentives for voluntary rebooking up to $10,000 and will be eliminating the red tape on permanently lost bags with a new "no-questions-asked" $1,500 reimbursement policy. We will also be rolling out a new app for our employees that will enable them to provide on-the-spot goodwill gestures in the form of miles, travel credit and other amenities when your experience with us misses the mark. You can learn more about these commitments and many other changes at hub.united.com.

While these actions are important, I have found myself reflecting more broadly on the role we play and the responsibilities we have to you and the communities we serve.

I believe we must go further in redefining what United's corporate citizenship looks like in our society. If our chief good as a company is only getting you to and from your destination, that would show a lack of moral imagination on our part. You can and ought to expect more from us, and we intend to live up to those higher expectations in the way we embody social responsibility and civic leadership everywhere we operate. I hope you will see that pledge express itself in our actions going forward, of which these initial, though important, changes are merely a first step.

Our goal should be nothing less than to make you truly proud to say, "I fly United."

Ultimately, the measure of our success is your satisfaction and the past several weeks have moved us to go further than ever before in elevating your experience with us. I know our 87,000 employees have taken this message to heart, and they are as energized as ever to fulfill our promise to serve you better with each flight and earn the trust you’ve given us.

We are working harder than ever for the privilege to serve you and I know we will be stronger, better and the customer-focused airline you expect and deserve.

With Great Gratitude,

Oscar Munoz
CEO
United Airlines
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Occasionally we may not be able to provide you with a seat on a specific flight, even if you hold a ticket, have checked in, are present to board on time, and comply with other requirements. This is called an oversale, and occurs when restrictions apply to operating a particular flight safely (such as aircraft weight limits); when we have to substitute a smaller aircraft in place of a larger aircraft that was originally scheduled; or if more customers have checked in and are prepared to board than we have available seats.

If your flight is in an oversale situation, you will not be denied a seat until we first ask for volunteers willing to give up their confirmed seats. If there are not enough volunteers, we will deny boarding to passengers in accordance with our written policy on boarding priority. If you are involuntarily denied boarding and have complied with our check-in and other applicable rules, we will give you a written statement that describes your rights and explains how we determine boarding priority for an oversold flight. You will generally be entitled to compensation and transportation on an alternate flight.

We make complete rules for the payment of compensation, as well as our policy about boarding priorities, available at airports we serve. We will follow these rules to ensure you are treated fairly. Please be aware that you may be denied boarding without compensation if you do not check in on time or do not meet certain other requirements, or if we offer you alternative transportation that is planned to arrive at your destination or first stopover no later than one hour after the planned arrival time of your original flight.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:50 am
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Originally Posted by toomanybooks
Yep, I have driven ORD-LEX a zillion times. Easy.
Not if he doing open heart surgery the next morning. And not everyone has a drivers lucense.

The crew could have also drove.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:50 am
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Originally Posted by AugustusM
The rights of free speech and expression only apply to when the government attempts to curtail them.
The cops who dragged the poor passenger off the flight at Uniteds behest are paid by whom?
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:50 am
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There are always two sides to every story, and I certainly don't think the dragged-off pax is a hero. When the police tell you to get off the plane, you get off the plane. Period. Even if the airline employees are complete idiots and jerks.

That said, United needs to better train its subcontracted employees (and I presume the folks working the gate don't work for UA, because this was an Express flight) how to deal with such a situation. With everyone having a cellphone, you certainly don't want to drag a pax off a plane for any reason -- especially a stupid reason like this one -- unless it is absolutely necessary. UA also needs to revisit its involuntarily denied boarding procedures. Obviously, the thing to do is make the pax an offer than some of them can't refuse -- especially if those pax are already on the plane and a confrontation is likely. I would think the gov't should also mandate higher compensation for IDB's to incentivize airlines to avoid them. Make it a minimum of $600 or $800.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:50 am
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Didn't read all 11 pages. Was he really a doctor?

Bad look for United but I would say the passengers actions played a role here as well when I watched the video (not the bulk of the blame just he is not blameless).
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:50 am
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No matter which way you look at it, it's a disaster on UA's part.

I'm loyal to the airline but this is horrible. The fact that he was let back on in the end - I can't tell if that's a good or bad thing. I would have been humiliated.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:50 am
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Originally Posted by mre5765
It's UA fan boys here coming out pro-airline, mostly people with no clue about the rules. E.g. the lack of understanding how IDB works is on display here. The assertion that weight and balance only applies to 50 seaters. Etc.
Stop with your misinformation campaign. Most know how IDB works around here. You clearly don't understand that there's no evidence, incentive, concrete reason, or precedent for the airline to do so in this situation.

Originally Posted by mre5765
It was weight and balance. They re-boarded him after the fiasco and pulled some cargo or bags from the hold.

If was over booking, then they would not have had a seat for him.
One can only say that if they know that no one else gave up their seats after the incident. Do you have the proof for that?
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:51 am
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Originally Posted by minnyfly
That contract doesn't guarantee that you fly or break federal law. I
What federal law? Please cite!
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:51 am
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Originally Posted by fly18725
Overbooking and boarding are not mutually exclusive. Overbooking can take place after boarding has begun, or GAs can make mistakes and begin boarding and overbooked flight. Technically, I guess W&B is overbooking - it just changes the number of seats available for sale.

I don't see how the reason for overbooking is hugely relevant to the key point that the flight was overbooked.
I've heard of IDB cases where the aircraft had left the gate wand was on the runway when the airline realized that there was a "must fly" employee who needed to be on the flight. In such cases, the aircraft would return to the gate and remove a customer. I've also heard of returns to the gate to remove a nonrev and replace the nonrev with a revenue passenger, but that would be extraordinary and presumably would be done only for a VIP or a seriously mishandled passenger.

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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:51 am
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Clearly, UA meant "volunteer" in the Hunger Games context.

Please review the word "volunteer" prior to your next board meeting.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:51 am
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Originally Posted by deniah
If you read the contract, they don't have the rights to willy-nilly select IDB subjects. There are limitations and processes (and remedies) in place.

The processes don't have seem to be followed properly. Buy we'll see that play out in the following days
We see nothing that shows the IDB process wasn't followed. Volunteers were solicited and then passengers were removed, presumably based on the criteria established by United.

Originally Posted by iquitos
A contract they keep well concealed from the average traveller. If we want we can take your money and not fly you as agreed. Very fine print. What are the criteria for selecting the bumpee?
Are you saying the contract is not enforceable?
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:52 am
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Originally Posted by iahphx
There are always two sides to every story
There are actually three
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:52 am
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Originally Posted by demkr
The passenger was screeching and (likely) injured himself in the struggle.

The actions the authorities took, even if I opposed them, I don't see how it's UA's fault in any way.

Isn't it standard procedure to call them if a passenger repeatedly refuses to obey crew orders?
UA messed up in the first place. Authorities would not have to be present if UA was willing to offer more compensation, if the GA knew how to do her job. But no one's excusing the authorities from their thuggery.

Originally Posted by demkr
The GA did let him back on
Because that excuses UA's actions? Drag someone from a plane, rough him up, and then toss him back in? People like you are why UA will continue to suck.

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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:52 am
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Originally Posted by toomanybooks
So a doctor has more priority than someone going to a wedding/graduation? Or to say goodbye to grandma in the hospital?

I think not.

My brother is a doctor. Sometimes seems I am the only person who doesn't kiss his @ss 24/7.

I would like to see what led up to the confrontation where they removed the guy. All I saw was the dragging part.

Seems like you have issues with your brother that need to be worked out somewhere other than this forum.

It's easy to blow off the fact that this pax pointed out he was a physician but that needs to be seen in a larger context. What if said doctor was scheduled to be working in the ICU where he is in charge of 20+ patient on life support an this failure to get home would put those patients at risk? What if said doctor was a surgeon who had several surgical cases scheduled on Monday that would have had to been cancelled, inconveniencing patients and their families? What is forcing him to drive would have resulted in him being too fatigued to properly do his job on Monday. It's not just as simple as pulling him off the plane, there are consequences and, yes, those consequences are more dire than they are for a wedding and you can't honestly think otherwise.

UA completely blew it on this one. EVEN if the guy was being a d*^chebag the first rule of managing an escalated person is they you do not escalate with them. You find a way to deescalate the situation without assaulting the person to get them to comply.

It just amazes me how the airlines can be so unforgiving of their passengers yet expect us to be patient and understanding anytime they screw up. I hope this guy takes UA and the security officers to the cleaners.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:52 am
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Originally Posted by Paul510
where was the station manager or manager on duty to supervise the whole thing?

-Paul
Scrupulously avoiding anything that looked like it might have had difficult questions or blame attached to it later, presumably.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:54 am
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Originally Posted by Live4Upgrade
Most rationale people would quickly comply when security showed up and sort it out as civilized humans. If he's a MD, he surely has been schooled in communicating.

Then again, others are looking for a payout from their 5 minutes of "fame".

UA screwed up in letting him Board. But, the passenger sounds like high maintenance to me.
Actually he's a customer...Is it high maintenance to actually demand that UA fly him on the flight he paid for over flying non-revs/commuting employees because they wouldn't offer enough to get volunteers?
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