Is it better? After 2 years, a pensive return...
#1
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Is it better? After 2 years, a pensive return...
So, I was UA-exclusive for over a decade - and 2 years ago, made the decision to move my loyalty over to WN.
Starting in 2017, I'm assigned primarily to destinations not served by Southwest. I live in DEN, so, I'm making the move back to UA.
Have heard that things have improved - Ops are back such that delay is the exception not the norm, CS is improved after retraining, regional product is improving and routes that deserve mainline service (I'm looking at you, DEN-ATL) are getting mainline service, inflight is happier after unifying FA contracts - and yes, the coffee and waffles and snack mix.
I'm hoping it's all true - that the best of CO and UA are finally coming together under Oscar.
Am I worrying for nothing? Are the Friendly Skies...friendly again?
Starting in 2017, I'm assigned primarily to destinations not served by Southwest. I live in DEN, so, I'm making the move back to UA.
Have heard that things have improved - Ops are back such that delay is the exception not the norm, CS is improved after retraining, regional product is improving and routes that deserve mainline service (I'm looking at you, DEN-ATL) are getting mainline service, inflight is happier after unifying FA contracts - and yes, the coffee and waffles and snack mix.
I'm hoping it's all true - that the best of CO and UA are finally coming together under Oscar.
Am I worrying for nothing? Are the Friendly Skies...friendly again?
#2
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I am historically very critical of UA. But my view is UA is better now under Oscar, and is heading more in the right direction than anytime in the past 5 years. So yes, come back in, the water is fine.
#5
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Mostly on the upswing.
Personally, I have been experiencing rather dramatic levels of UA irrops this year, but willing to accept it is anecdotal. Monthly stats do not show such a dramatic fall.
I am apparently under some sort of curse.
Personally, I have been experiencing rather dramatic levels of UA irrops this year, but willing to accept it is anecdotal. Monthly stats do not show such a dramatic fall.
I am apparently under some sort of curse.
#6
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OTOH, if flying out of DEN how much choice do you have?
#8
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We're still about a year or so away from the last customer-facing step of completely merging the flight attendant groups (a technology limitation) which should hopefully close the book on the integration phase.
United in early 2017 is a quantum leap forward from the dark days of 2012-2014. The company at the end of the Smisek era started to become a bit more self-aware and roll out some tangible product improvements after three years of a merger-related hatchet job to anything good or differentiated about UA+CO (individually and collectively), but the damage was already done.
From my point of view, the fundamentals are improving: OTP (measurable), completion factor (measurable), service recovery (anecdotal) and the perception of morale (feel).
United in early 2017 is a quantum leap forward from the dark days of 2012-2014. The company at the end of the Smisek era started to become a bit more self-aware and roll out some tangible product improvements after three years of a merger-related hatchet job to anything good or differentiated about UA+CO (individually and collectively), but the damage was already done.
From my point of view, the fundamentals are improving: OTP (measurable), completion factor (measurable), service recovery (anecdotal) and the perception of morale (feel).
#9
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I also think better, especially on regional with the E-170/175. The only thing that worsened is CPU rate...nearly on par with WN, sadly.
Might also be worth asking for a Premier Status Match. No idea if they will do it for WN, or to what level, but anything would be better than kettle. Even a Challenge will help you get there sooner.
Good luck!
Might also be worth asking for a Premier Status Match. No idea if they will do it for WN, or to what level, but anything would be better than kettle. Even a Challenge will help you get there sooner.
Good luck!
Last edited by wh6cto; Feb 7, 2017 at 12:55 pm Reason: Forgot to mention that it is better.
#10
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I must be under a similar curse. Last year half my flights were on UA but that's where I experienced ALL my irrops (several Mx/severe delays). So far this year six flights on OALs and no problems. First UA flight is in 10 days so we'll see what happens.
OTOH, if flying out of DEN how much choice do you have?
OTOH, if flying out of DEN how much choice do you have?
#11
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I think one should pay more attention to the actual stats on IRROPS and OTP than anecdotals. I find that I go through periods where everything works perfectly, and then I go through cursed periods - rather like domestic building problems which don't happen for many years and then you get three in a row.
My opinion is that the odds on UA are pretty good now. As to the rest of it, I feel that UA is returning to the middle of the pack in pretty well all areas - service is improving, reliability is improving but MP is moving backwards.
My opinion is that the odds on UA are pretty good now. As to the rest of it, I feel that UA is returning to the middle of the pack in pretty well all areas - service is improving, reliability is improving but MP is moving backwards.
#12
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Better? yes, it could not have gotten much worse....my travel is way down the past 18 months since I retired but for the most part my fun travel has been ok. Forget the idea of CPU or even a mileage upgrade. They are scarce at best with UA working hard to upsell others before allowing any CPUs or MUAs. I had ONE CPU in 2016. One for a 650 mile flight from DEN to MSP. I flew just over 25,000 miles on UA last year and 9,000 on AA....
#13
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I'll agree with the posts that say UA is trying to get their act together and I would rate their customer service as middle of the road. Coach food is still awful. I've only been stranded, in all my flying, in 3 cities and DEN is one of them, about a year ago. I do a lot of TPAC and I tend to avoid Denver as I live in BOS and the connections aren't great. I do have a daughter who now lives in Denver so I'm getting more familiar with the airport over the last couple of years. I'm rambling but my point is give UA a try again but I'm not sure about their on-time performance at DEN.
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United is way better than it was 2 years ago.
The lounges are at least serviceable, the soup and salad options are better than the prepackaged cheese, though I'd say overall the offerings are worse than Delta.
Onboard, unfortunately, I think its all relative at this point but the food is decent now, but the new F and Y slimlines are horribly uncomfortable but all the majors are moving towards those.
The lounges are at least serviceable, the soup and salad options are better than the prepackaged cheese, though I'd say overall the offerings are worse than Delta.
Onboard, unfortunately, I think its all relative at this point but the food is decent now, but the new F and Y slimlines are horribly uncomfortable but all the majors are moving towards those.
#15
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United is way better than it was 2 years ago.
The lounges are at least serviceable, the soup and salad options are better than the prepackaged cheese, though I'd say overall the offerings are worse than Delta.
Onboard, unfortunately, I think its all relative at this point but the food is decent now, but the new F and Y slimlines are horribly uncomfortable but all the majors are moving towards those.
The lounges are at least serviceable, the soup and salad options are better than the prepackaged cheese, though I'd say overall the offerings are worse than Delta.
Onboard, unfortunately, I think its all relative at this point but the food is decent now, but the new F and Y slimlines are horribly uncomfortable but all the majors are moving towards those.