Dec 31, 2016, 4:57 pm
Last edit by: GMoneyCO
The Fleet Status site is:
https://sites.google.com/site/unitedfleetsite/
At the site, you can find information about the interior features, livery, etc., for every plane in United's fleet.
United Airlines Equipment (Aircraft) Codes (via JOSECONLSCREW28)- code refers to type and configuration but not IFE:
sCO
73A - B737-700 (12/40/66 config)
73Z - B737-700 Guam Configuration
73G - B737-700 Slimline (12/36/78 config)
73Y - B737-800 Slimline Config
73U - B737-800 Guam Configuration
73F - B737-800 (16/48/90 config with SFP)
73Q - B737-800 Slimline with SFP
73C - B737-900 Slimline (20/42/117 config)
73L - B737-900ER Slimline Config
75B - B757-200 Int'l Config
75A - B757-300 (24/57/132 config)
75E - B757-300 Slimline
76P - B767-400ER
78V - B787-8
78Z - B787-9
77Y - B777-200ER ("Version 2")
sUA
19S - A319 version 1
19C - A319 version 2 (ex-CZ frames)
20S - A320 version 1
20C - A320 version 2 (ex-CZ frames)
37K - B737-900ER (tail # 3801-3894)
75K - B757-200 ("ps")
76N - B767-300ER 3-cabin
76C - B767-300ER 2-cabin non-Polaris
76A - B767-300ER Polaris
77G - B777-200 Domestic (Versions 3 & 4)
77J - B777-200ER 3-cabin (27xx Tail#'s) ("Version 1")
77Q - B777-200ER 3-cabin (20xx & 28xx Tail #s) ("Version 1")
77T - B777-300ER Polaris
78U - B787-9 AC# 968-972
Here's what each of the facilities do historically (thanks Bunky):
HKG, heavy widebody maint and reconf (also heavy GUM 737 maint)
LCQ, All Airbus heavy and some medium heavy maint, Airbus mods
DLH, Airbus maintenance
SFO, Airbus D checks, heavy 772 maint, other maint.
IAH, light maint, slimlines on 73G
MIA, 753 ISP, 763 main/WiFi, some 757 maint,
MCN, 737 maint, slimlines, has done some 763 WiFi and maint
CWF, VCV, AMA, paint
XMN, 772 and 744 maintenance
PVG, 788 modifications/WiFi
MCO, maintenance, has done mods in past.
SEA, 77W, 739 new delivery induction, some 789s as well
DEN, 789 new delivery induction
HOU, 737 heavier maintenance, slimline seats
https://sites.google.com/site/unitedfleetsite/
At the site, you can find information about the interior features, livery, etc., for every plane in United's fleet.
United Airlines Equipment (Aircraft) Codes (via JOSECONLSCREW28)- code refers to type and configuration but not IFE:
sCO
73A - B737-700 (12/40/66 config)
73Z - B737-700 Guam Configuration
73G - B737-700 Slimline (12/36/78 config)
73Y - B737-800 Slimline Config
73U - B737-800 Guam Configuration
73F - B737-800 (16/48/90 config with SFP)
73Q - B737-800 Slimline with SFP
73C - B737-900 Slimline (20/42/117 config)
73L - B737-900ER Slimline Config
75B - B757-200 Int'l Config
75A - B757-300 (24/57/132 config)
75E - B757-300 Slimline
76P - B767-400ER
78V - B787-8
78Z - B787-9
77Y - B777-200ER ("Version 2")
sUA
19S - A319 version 1
19C - A319 version 2 (ex-CZ frames)
20S - A320 version 1
20C - A320 version 2 (ex-CZ frames)
37K - B737-900ER (tail # 3801-3894)
75K - B757-200 ("ps")
76N - B767-300ER 3-cabin
76C - B767-300ER 2-cabin non-Polaris
76A - B767-300ER Polaris
77G - B777-200 Domestic (Versions 3 & 4)
77J - B777-200ER 3-cabin (27xx Tail#'s) ("Version 1")
77Q - B777-200ER 3-cabin (20xx & 28xx Tail #s) ("Version 1")
77T - B777-300ER Polaris
78U - B787-9 AC# 968-972
Here's what each of the facilities do historically (thanks Bunky):
HKG, heavy widebody maint and reconf (also heavy GUM 737 maint)
LCQ, All Airbus heavy and some medium heavy maint, Airbus mods
DLH, Airbus maintenance
SFO, Airbus D checks, heavy 772 maint, other maint.
IAH, light maint, slimlines on 73G
MIA, 753 ISP, 763 main/WiFi, some 757 maint,
MCN, 737 maint, slimlines, has done some 763 WiFi and maint
CWF, VCV, AMA, paint
XMN, 772 and 744 maintenance
PVG, 788 modifications/WiFi
MCO, maintenance, has done mods in past.
SEA, 77W, 739 new delivery induction, some 789s as well
DEN, 789 new delivery induction
HOU, 737 heavier maintenance, slimline seats
United Airlines Fleet Updates [2017 Edition]
Jan 5, 2017, 1:41 am
#31
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: EWR, BDL
Posts: 4,471
[QUOTE=thejaredhuang;27707347]Is there date for completion? I'm assuming the 753 will get it too? Thanks[/QUOTE
Ill have to check. Only the 75B (16J) will be getting them. No plans for the 753s and the 75K (28J) will be leaving the fleet.
Ill have to check. Only the 75B (16J) will be getting them. No plans for the 753s and the 75K (28J) will be leaving the fleet.
Jan 5, 2017, 6:37 am
#32
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: ATL
Programs: DL DM 1.77MM, Marriott LT Plat
Posts: 2,782
Seems that most of the CR7s that left in 2016 were those that didn't have WiFi installed per UA.com (I'm assuming they get WiFi before entering AA or DL service). Any info if that trend will continue in 2017, or is it a crap shoot?
Jan 5, 2017, 7:00 am
#33
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: NYC: UA 1K, DL Platinum, AAirpass, Avis PC
Posts: 4,599
When are 75K planned to exit, and what is contemplated to backfill?
Last edited by WineCountryUA; Jan 5, 2017 at 1:29 pm Reason: repaired quote
Jan 5, 2017, 11:08 am
#35
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: SFO
Programs: UA Platinum, AF, Chase, Hyatt Explorist
Posts: 1,089
That would surprise me if that happened. The domestic 777 has the same number of J seats as the sUA 752, but 200+ more Y seats. That would be a lot of elites stuck in Y. There's nothing premium about that configuration. And the whole point of moving p.s. to EWR was to have really high frequency. I would imagine UA would become more irrelevant on the NYC-SFO/LAX routes if they were to cut down frequency so significantly in such a rash move.
Jan 5, 2017, 11:11 am
#36
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: EWR, BDL
Posts: 4,471
Nothing official has been announced but if we do end up ordering the A321 that is likely what will replace the 75K fleet.
Jan 5, 2017, 3:40 pm
#37
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 2,629
Looking at 757 routes I see it takes the following units to operate
EWR-LAX 12 flights, 12 units
EWR-SFO 13 flights 13 units
EWR TATL approx 12 units (DUBX2, SNN, BHX, MAN, GLA, EDI, LIS, BCN, AMS, LHRX2
IAD TATL approx 4 units (DUB, AMS, BRU, LHR)
LAX/SFO-LIH utilize EWR units to operate 1600 west, redeye east
DEN-HAWAII Sat only utilize ps units with select ps routes going 772 domestic.
That takes 41 units, but no spares. Believe several TATL routes could drop 752 service (BCN, AMS, LHR, BRU)
Routings in EWR require use of TATL units midday to swap on ps routes.
Looks to me that UA could remove 1.5 rows from F on the sCO 752 to get 22F/42E+/90Y=154, which could be reasonable for ps and TATL services.
EWR-LAX 12 flights, 12 units
EWR-SFO 13 flights 13 units
EWR TATL approx 12 units (DUBX2, SNN, BHX, MAN, GLA, EDI, LIS, BCN, AMS, LHRX2
IAD TATL approx 4 units (DUB, AMS, BRU, LHR)
LAX/SFO-LIH utilize EWR units to operate 1600 west, redeye east
DEN-HAWAII Sat only utilize ps units with select ps routes going 772 domestic.
That takes 41 units, but no spares. Believe several TATL routes could drop 752 service (BCN, AMS, LHR, BRU)
Routings in EWR require use of TATL units midday to swap on ps routes.
Looks to me that UA could remove 1.5 rows from F on the sCO 752 to get 22F/42E+/90Y=154, which could be reasonable for ps and TATL services.
Jan 5, 2017, 4:11 pm
#38
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: EWR, BDL
Posts: 4,471
Looking at 757 routes I see it takes the following units to operate
EWR-LAX 12 flights, 12 units
EWR-SFO 13 flights 13 units
EWR TATL approx 12 units (DUBX2, SNN, BHX, MAN, GLA, EDI, LIS, BCN, AMS, LHRX2
IAD TATL approx 4 units (DUB, AMS, BRU, LHR)
LAX/SFO-LIH utilize EWR units to operate 1600 west, redeye east
DEN-HAWAII Sat only utilize ps units with select ps routes going 772 domestic.
That takes 41 units, but no spares. Believe several TATL routes could drop 752 service (BCN, AMS, LHR, BRU)
Routings in EWR require use of TATL units midday to swap on ps routes.
Looks to me that UA could remove 1.5 rows from F on the sCO 752 to get 22F/42E+/90Y=154, which could be reasonable for ps and TATL services.
EWR-LAX 12 flights, 12 units
EWR-SFO 13 flights 13 units
EWR TATL approx 12 units (DUBX2, SNN, BHX, MAN, GLA, EDI, LIS, BCN, AMS, LHRX2
IAD TATL approx 4 units (DUB, AMS, BRU, LHR)
LAX/SFO-LIH utilize EWR units to operate 1600 west, redeye east
DEN-HAWAII Sat only utilize ps units with select ps routes going 772 domestic.
That takes 41 units, but no spares. Believe several TATL routes could drop 752 service (BCN, AMS, LHR, BRU)
Routings in EWR require use of TATL units midday to swap on ps routes.
Looks to me that UA could remove 1.5 rows from F on the sCO 752 to get 22F/42E+/90Y=154, which could be reasonable for ps and TATL services.
Jan 5, 2017, 4:41 pm
#40
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 843
That would surprise me if that happened. The domestic 777 has the same number of J seats as the sUA 752, but 200+ more Y seats. That would be a lot of elites stuck in Y. There's nothing premium about that configuration. And the whole point of moving p.s. to EWR was to have really high frequency. I would imagine UA would become more irrelevant on the NYC-SFO/LAX routes if they were to cut down frequency so significantly in such a rash move.
If the HD 777 has the same number of J seats as the ps 757s, how does a switch to HD 777 mean "a lot of elites stuck in Y" that aren't already in Y? Not everybody flying EWR-LAX/SFO is elite/high revenue. Plus, given that there are no CPUs on those routes, anyone who wants to sit up front has to pay for it (or use miles/upgrade instruments). I suppose it could mean a lot more people who wanted to fly on a particular flight would be able to do so, but only in Y (as opposed to having the flight sold out and not being able to fly at all, if it was a 757).
Jan 5, 2017, 4:48 pm
#41
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: NYC (Primarily EWR)
Programs: UA 1K / *G, Marriott Bonvoy Gold; Avis PC
Posts: 9,005
Having the new HD 772s being used as p.s. would be a huge downgrade over any of the 752s used on the route...would avoid them like the plague, especially in Y. Hard to call that a 'premium service' product.
Jan 5, 2017, 5:04 pm
#42
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: SFO/CDG
Programs: UA 1k
Posts: 211
I don't think UA is going to keep 13 flights per day SFO-EWR if there are greater than 2x HD 777 on the route. There is already excess Y capacity to accommodate the J demand at certain times of the day/week/year.
I struggle to follow the logic here.
If the HD 777 has the same number of J seats as the ps 757s, how does a switch to HD 777 mean "a lot of elites stuck in Y" that aren't already in Y? Not everybody flying EWR-LAX/SFO is elite/high revenue. Plus, given that there are no CPUs on those routes, anyone who wants to sit up front has to pay for it (or use miles/upgrade instruments). I suppose it could mean a lot more people who wanted to fly on a particular flight would be able to do so, but only in Y (as opposed to having the flight sold out and not being able to fly at all, if it was a 757).
If the HD 777 has the same number of J seats as the ps 757s, how does a switch to HD 777 mean "a lot of elites stuck in Y" that aren't already in Y? Not everybody flying EWR-LAX/SFO is elite/high revenue. Plus, given that there are no CPUs on those routes, anyone who wants to sit up front has to pay for it (or use miles/upgrade instruments). I suppose it could mean a lot more people who wanted to fly on a particular flight would be able to do so, but only in Y (as opposed to having the flight sold out and not being able to fly at all, if it was a 757).
Jan 5, 2017, 5:11 pm
#43
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: SFO
Programs: UA Platinum, AF, Chase, Hyatt Explorist
Posts: 1,089
Also, take a look at the other options. The HD 772 may not be a bad configuration for LAX-DEN-EWR-ORD-SFO etc., it looks pretty uncompetitive to what DL, AA, and B6 put on NYC-SFO/LAX. It says a lot that UA is currently only using the 3-cabin 772 on these routes, and also worth noting that EWR-SFO will be the first scheduled route with the Polaris hard product.
Jan 5, 2017, 6:07 pm
#44
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 2,629
OK, I was just posting what I thought was an option for a reasonable ps/TATL seating arrangement with the 41 sCO fleet.
If the ps units are gone, then ps service will be reduced to 16 BF seats on 752s and 28 on 772s.
The 752 has only 9.5% BF seating. ps now has 24.5% BF Seating.
The 772 domestic has only 8.3% BF seating.
Total BF seats would drop from 286 to 190 if ps units were retired, assuming 7 sCO 752s and 3 772 domestic vs. today's 13 RTs with mixed ps/sCO 752s.
If UA were to put in a premium Y product on the 772 and other international widebodies it sure would help. 8 across on the 772 & 787 and 6 across on the 767s would only drop a few seats. The increase of 32 premium Y sets on 772 Domestic would make sense for ps use with a loss of 10 total seats (estimate 2 of those to make up for aisle alignment).
Please comment if you like.
If the ps units are gone, then ps service will be reduced to 16 BF seats on 752s and 28 on 772s.
The 752 has only 9.5% BF seating. ps now has 24.5% BF Seating.
The 772 domestic has only 8.3% BF seating.
Total BF seats would drop from 286 to 190 if ps units were retired, assuming 7 sCO 752s and 3 772 domestic vs. today's 13 RTs with mixed ps/sCO 752s.
If UA were to put in a premium Y product on the 772 and other international widebodies it sure would help. 8 across on the 772 & 787 and 6 across on the 767s would only drop a few seats. The increase of 32 premium Y sets on 772 Domestic would make sense for ps use with a loss of 10 total seats (estimate 2 of those to make up for aisle alignment).
Please comment if you like.
Jan 5, 2017, 6:30 pm
#45
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: SFO/CDG
Programs: UA 1k
Posts: 211
Is there a chance some of the 763s might start ps flights? It seems like this might be a compromise after they have the last of the 3 class planes through mods.